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Old 16th Jun 2021, 09:57
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Originally Posted by Aurora Australis View Post
Yes. Engineers and pilots. And a lot of days with 0/2 serviceable.
To be fair to BIH, who wants to keep heading to the Falklands....
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Old 16th Jun 2021, 18:25
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I think this will quite quickly boil down to straight fight between BIH and Draken/Airbus. Airbus have a huge amount of innovation and 'novelty' that they can bring to the table, and Draken have a proven pedigree of delievering SAR training (as Cobham and now as Draken). However BIH have been providing a solid SAR service with a good rep (as far as I know). I think any bid involving Airbus will be difficult to beat on sheer price alone, but reputation counts for a lot and BIH have provided the service very well, which has to count for a lot (one would hope!).

My money is on Draken personally as I have a good idea (having worked with them several times) how Airbus think - they will have done their homework on this one. In any event, it will be a great watch...popcorn at the ready.
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Old 17th Jun 2021, 11:34
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Originally Posted by rrekn View Post
To be fair to BIH, who wants to keep heading to the Falklands....
The Falklands is not necessarily the problem. I know of many pilots and engineers who have enjoyed their time in the Falklands, both in the distant past (Bristow MOD contract 1983-1998), and Bristow oil contract 2015 - both of which I worked on. And I know of a good number of them now who would jump at the chance to come back here.

However, having also worked there in the past for BIH, over a total of 5 years, I can certainly say that the turnover of staff there was markedly higher than any of the other three organisations that I have flown for in my career. And I know of more than three local aircraft engineers, as well as base management staff, and at least one pilot (me), living in the Falklands, who chose to leave what on the face of it was an ideal job. (At the time I resigned, I did not have another job to go to).

It was the unhappiest workforce I have ever been part of.
However BIH have been providing a solid SAR service with a good rep (as far as I know). I think any bid involving Airbus will be difficult to beat on sheer price alone, but reputation counts for a lot and BIH have provided the service very well, which has to count for a lot (one would hope!)
That was not my experience. The dedication of the pilots, rear crew and engineers is without question, but the SAR aircraft spend what seems to me an astonishing amount of time unserviceable.
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Old 17th Jun 2021, 14:11
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Seems some possible confusion here:

BIH = British International Helicopters - Falklands SAR
BHL = Bristow Helicopters Limited - UK SAR
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Old 17th Jun 2021, 14:22
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Originally Posted by rogue leader View Post
Seems some possible confusion here:

BIH = British International Helicopters - Falklands SAR
BHL = Bristow Helicopters Limited - UK SAR
I don't think there is confusion - surely the Falkland contract is operated on their UK AOC, and the suggestion was that BIH will partner with SERCO?
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Old 17th Jun 2021, 14:45
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Well looks like BHL are out of the race then!

"I think this will quite quickly boil down to straight fight between BIH and Draken/Airbus"
"BIH have been providing a solid SAR service with a good rep (as far as I know)"
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Old 17th Jun 2021, 15:01
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Originally Posted by rogue leader View Post
Well looks like BHL are out of the race then!

"I think this will quite quickly boil down to straight fight between BIH and Draken/Airbus"
"BIH have been providing a solid SAR service with a good rep (as far as I know)"
Actually, re-reading the posts, maybe Balldeep is confused, but the initial comments about SERCO teaming with BIH seem reasonable. Bristow teamed up with SERCO once before for the DHFS contract, but separated (that's why it went from FBS to FBH). Not sure if the parting was amicable or not though.
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Old 17th Jun 2021, 21:17
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Originally Posted by rogue leader View Post
Well looks like BHL are out of the race then!

"I think this will quite quickly boil down to straight fight between BIH and Draken/Airbus"
"BIH have been providing a solid SAR service with a good rep (as far as I know)"
What do you base that on, they are shortlisted for lot 1,2 & 4 (see link above) so still in it, not?
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Old 17th Jun 2021, 22:17
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Originally Posted by finalchecksplease View Post
What do you base that on, they are shortlisted for lot 1,2 & 4 (see link above) so still in it, not?
Baldeep's prediction above. I just tried to point out possibly he got BIH confused with BHL, but maybe he just has inside knowledge 👍
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Old 25th Jun 2021, 12:50
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i think someone mentioned that Bristow had picked up the Dutch SAR contract. I never saw a press release
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Old 25th Jun 2021, 17:51
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Rumour is Bristow won it but itís being disputed. Didnít hear whoís put in the complaint .
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Old 26th Jun 2021, 09:13
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Originally Posted by Franks Town View Post
Rumour is Bristow won it but itís being disputed. Didnít hear whoís put in the complaint .
what reason could it be disputed?
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Old 26th Jun 2021, 09:18
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I think it's standard practice to dispute the contract award. It will probably reveal additional information about the bid - it's a form of intelligence gathering.
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Old 26th Jun 2021, 19:26
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Airbus Helicopters UK LTD
Only bidding for the whole thing (Lot 4). Do we take from this that such a big outfit is only interested in a contract of sufficient size to extract a decent amount of profit? Are we going to have to deal with a Super Puma public backlash? This time, is this more about recovering a battered reputation? Draken expected to provide some solid SAR skills.

Bristow Helicopters Ltd
The incumbent has won all but four of the twenty-odd UK SAR contracts and are providing a good service. They know how to do this. They have emerged from rough times and merged with ERA. Apparently undiminished in their SAR ambition. I wouldn't bet against them.

EEA Helicopters Operations B.V.
Parent of CHC who are a former UK SAR contractor. Also been down a rocky road and come out the other end. Current Irish Coastguard SAR incumbent. They know how to do this. Referred to the CMA over their purchase of part of Babcock's helicopter operation.

Serco Limited
One-time electronics company turned general government contractor perhaps in a similar vein to Babcock. Always had some aviation involvement, including aircraft maintenance and airfield support services for the RAF. Expected helicopter partner unconfirmed.


I know you'll all help me out if I got any of that wrong.
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Old 15th Jul 2021, 11:24
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Serco Out

https://helihub.com/2021/07/15/serco...pD1OzOssnfYJms
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Old 25th Aug 2021, 11:03
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Has anyone with SAR knowledge ever seen a recent UK HMCGís operational organisation chart, showing JRCC, NMOC, MRCCs etc, and how the organisation dovetails together?
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 14:53
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I hear that the Draken Academy at Newquay has just gone under. I wonder how this will affect the Draken/Airbus bid for UKSAR2G?...I am sure it won't help as it will hurt their reputation if nothing else. One of their selling points was the fact that they had a school where they could train new candidates and 'feed' the SAR contract from the bottom up. Sad news for the guys in Cornwall.
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 17:04
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Originally Posted by Baldeep Inminj View Post
I hear that the Draken Academy at Newquay has just gone under. I wonder how this will affect the Draken/Airbus bid for UKSAR2G?...I am sure it won't help as it will hurt their reputation if nothing else. One of their selling points was the fact that they had a school where they could train new candidates and 'feed' the SAR contract from the bottom up. Sad news for the guys in Cornwall.
Sad for the team there!
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 17:50
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Draken Europe has announced plans to close its UK-based Helicopter Academy at the end of this year
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Old 2nd Sep 2021, 14:28
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So is that the end of the Airbus bid? Or will someone else partner with Airbus Helicopters for this?

Thing is though whoever wins will have to provide some medium / long range SAR with a 92 airframe

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