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Old 24th Sep 2020, 08:35
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Report on the use of NPAS at Grenfell Tower

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Claims the use of police helicopters at the Grenfell Tower fire made the flames worse and encouraged residents to head to the roof in the hope of rescue have been rejected by the police watchdog.

Its report says no helicopter came close enough to cause downdraft which might have fanned the flames.

It also says there was no evidence that 999 call handlers suggested helicopters might be able to rescue residents.

The fire at the 24-storey tower in west London killed 72 people in June 2017.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) has released an 80-page report following an investigation into the fire.

It was prompted by a complaint made three years ago by Nabil Choucair, who lost six members of his family at Grenfell Tower.

The complaint said that residents believed the helicopters they could see from their windows had been sent to rescue them from the roof of the building.

It also raised concerns that "prop wash" from the helicopters allowed the flames to spread more quickly.

The investigation examined calls between trapped residents and 999 handlers, as well as the movements of residents higher up the tower, to establish whether they had been motivated by the belief they would be rescued.

People stuck on the upper floors of the Kensington tower block begged call handlers for an air rescue, after seeing police helicopters flying nearby during the fire.

'Residents' desperation'

Police helicopters were almost continuously present close to the tower between 01:44 BST on the night of the fire and 16:05 BST the following afternoon.

The report found that "desperation", led some residents, who were "completely trapped" to mistakenly believe they could be rescued by police helicopter.

However, the helicopters sent by the National Police Air Service (NPAS) were not equipped for rescue, and rather were monitoring the scene for officers and other emergency responders on the ground.

The IOPC found that the deployment of the helicopters was justified.

It said the way some handlers managed calls from those in the building was "unclear" but it added that residents were not told to move to another floor for rescue.

The conclusion reads: "A small number of people in Grenfell Tower, who were already of the belief that they were completely trapped, out of desperation and being aware of helicopter presence, developed the mistaken belief that a helicopter rescue was a possibility."

It also said "films are likely to have influenced people's belief in what the helicopters can do" and recommended that 999 staff should be trained to explain to the public that police helicopters were not capable of rescuing them.

It also concluded that "none of the helicopters flew close enough to the tower for their rotor wash to have worsened the fire".

IOPC regional director Sal Naseem said: "The recommendations we have made and which have been accepted aim to ensure that call operators communicate, to people who find themselves in similar horrific and life-threatening situations, the reality of the choices they have."

A public inquiry into the fire is also being held and it is currently in its second phase.
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NPAS helicopters are certainly not suitable for rescue (albeit in certain circumstances they could perhaps 'assist' individuals) but what action was taken by the call handlers to request assistance from those that could? Odiham and Benson with SH are literally just down the road, although at that time of the night their reaction of the UK standby aircraft might be quite slow, but there is (supposedly) a 24 hour SAR system covering the UK that should have been able to help. It would have not been an easy task - even daylight tasks on the top of blocks of flats were 'interesting' - but were they even asked?
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Has there ever been any serious interaction between MOD and Govmt.Fire services to provide for such events...?
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NPAS helicopters are certainly not suitable for rescue (albeit in certain circumstances they could perhaps 'assist' individuals) but what action was taken by the call handlers to request assistance from those that could? Odiham and Benson with SH are literally just down the road, although at that time of the night their reaction of the UK standby aircraft might be quite slow, but there is (supposedly) a 24 hour SAR system covering the UK that should have been able to help. It would have not been an easy task - even daylight tasks on the top of blocks of flats were 'interesting' - but were they even asked?
You definitely don't want to look to MOD assets for that task. In the land of SAR (if anyone's land at all), but even then I'd say a burning high-rise building is outside of most remits? I wouldn't like to imagine how difficult it would be to winch to the top of that, except very very early on, unless an upwind side was free of fire perhaps?
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Who is going to help the winchman when there are a dozen people fighting to get into the strop?
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Channel 4 news did this story as a headline piece a few years ago, such was the extent of the fire could a suitably equipped helicopter even have got close?
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I'd say that there was maybe a 30 to 60m window during which winching or other air rescue was reasonably possible. But this event was so far out of the "ordinary" that organizing such an operation was probably unrealistic.
The fire brigade were completely unprepared, did not aprehand the scope of the event and most likely condemned some people due to unfit advises, but quite frankly much easier to say with the benefit of hindsight.
Assuming they had rehearsed plans I'm confident that SAR assets could have been helpfully deployed immediately. Once the fire had engulfed the whole building it was game over 😕

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