Aus Army AW139s
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RREKN, anyone with idle 139s probably.
If you search the web you find plenty for sale with low hours and decent config. Most of Toll's existing fleet are bank financed and their parent company is huge and well capitalized so lots of financing options on the table. Or leasing of course, plenty knocking around if you know the people to call.
If you search the web you find plenty for sale with low hours and decent config. Most of Toll's existing fleet are bank financed and their parent company is huge and well capitalized so lots of financing options on the table. Or leasing of course, plenty knocking around if you know the people to call.
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What about the other rumours that their parent company isn’t happy with the losses being made on their current contract and want out.
Last edited by driftwood1; 30th November 2020 at 21:26.
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Toll Group is currently owned by Japan Post whom I understand are trying to divest their holding. Rumour from the Bankstown refueller was that a Norwegian shipping company were interested in buying but not really interested in keeping the loss leading helicopter arm of the group.
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Toll Group is currently owned by Japan Post whom I understand are trying to divest their holding. Rumour from the Bankstown refueller was that a Norwegian shipping company were interested in buying but not really interested in keeping the loss leading helicopter arm of the group.
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[QUOTE=Turkeyslapper;10938084]oh this is hilarious from the armchair experts... yes, the helicopter part of Toll is running at a loss 😎. Maybe you guys need to talk to the Bankstown Aerodrome lawn mower guy for better info.... my pprune slumber has been awakened by the absolute BS being pushed here. Zzzz[/QUOTE
Oh how scary a big bad Toll monster has been woken up. Best keep our mouths shut or endure it’s wrath. For your info already spoke to lawnmower guy that’s where the info came from. Can’t you read.....
Oh how scary a big bad Toll monster has been woken up. Best keep our mouths shut or endure it’s wrath. For your info already spoke to lawnmower guy that’s where the info came from. Can’t you read.....
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oh this is hilarious from the armchair experts... yes, the helicopter part of Toll is running at a loss 😎. Maybe you guys need to talk to the Bankstown Aerodrome lawn mower guy for better info.... my pprune slumber has been awakened by the absolute BS being pushed here. Zzzz
Professional Pilots RUMOUR Network. Just sayin......
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Published in Army News today....and might I say, what an excellent choice for Army aviator's future career outside the Army.
Army's aviation capability has been enhanced with two Leonardo AW139 helicopters joining 5 Avn Regt in Townsville.
The two leased AW139s will be used to support Defence’s major exercises and training, and assist with emergency response activities including during the high-risk weather season.
The helicopters have similar performance to the MRH90 and will be used to support aircrew development and currency requirements when combat aircraft are not available.
The contract with Helicorp Pty Ltd (Toll Helicopters) has met all milestones, with training, aircraft serviceability, and flying hour requirements exceeding expectations.
Commander Army Aviation Command Maj-Gen Stephen Jobson said the AW139 contract would ensure Army aircrew were ready for operational tasking.
“ The Army interim commercial helicopter capability will provide Army aircrew with flying proficiency and currency training on an advanced digital aircraft,” Maj-Gen Jobson said.
“Maintaining these advanced digital cognitive skills is essential for operating complex modern combat helicopters now and into the future.”
The contract for the two leased Leonardo AW139 helicopters covers training, maintenance, logistics and continuing airworthiness support.
The initial contract ends on June 30, 2023, with options for two 12-month extensions.
Army's aviation capability has been enhanced with two Leonardo AW139 helicopters joining 5 Avn Regt in Townsville.
The two leased AW139s will be used to support Defence’s major exercises and training, and assist with emergency response activities including during the high-risk weather season.
The helicopters have similar performance to the MRH90 and will be used to support aircrew development and currency requirements when combat aircraft are not available.
The contract with Helicorp Pty Ltd (Toll Helicopters) has met all milestones, with training, aircraft serviceability, and flying hour requirements exceeding expectations.
Commander Army Aviation Command Maj-Gen Stephen Jobson said the AW139 contract would ensure Army aircrew were ready for operational tasking.
“ The Army interim commercial helicopter capability will provide Army aircrew with flying proficiency and currency training on an advanced digital aircraft,” Maj-Gen Jobson said.
“Maintaining these advanced digital cognitive skills is essential for operating complex modern combat helicopters now and into the future.”
The contract for the two leased Leonardo AW139 helicopters covers training, maintenance, logistics and continuing airworthiness support.
The initial contract ends on June 30, 2023, with options for two 12-month extensions.
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Nice to see a sensible paint job for once. Somebody actually looking after tax payer money.
The current paint we use on our 139's is admittedly high spec and costs around $500 a gallon.
A three colour scheme requires you to hold $1500 of paint with a one year shelf life.
Not unusual to see a gallon thrown away with a couple of egg cups full used or unopened.
The one year shelf life is unopened but that gets ignored!!!!
It is one of the hidden costs of maintaining helicopters.
Could go on about Leonardo specifying sealer at $40 a go and requiring you to use enough to cover the end of a paintbrush.
Then specifying a totally different sealer for another job where you could use the same stuff.
Again all with shelf lives and plenty of it goes in the bin.
In addition subject to the lease companies agreement that colour might be acceptable at lease return saving another $20-30000.
You can't knock somebody for saving tax payer dollars.
The current paint we use on our 139's is admittedly high spec and costs around $500 a gallon.
A three colour scheme requires you to hold $1500 of paint with a one year shelf life.
Not unusual to see a gallon thrown away with a couple of egg cups full used or unopened.
The one year shelf life is unopened but that gets ignored!!!!
It is one of the hidden costs of maintaining helicopters.
Could go on about Leonardo specifying sealer at $40 a go and requiring you to use enough to cover the end of a paintbrush.
Then specifying a totally different sealer for another job where you could use the same stuff.
Again all with shelf lives and plenty of it goes in the bin.
In addition subject to the lease companies agreement that colour might be acceptable at lease return saving another $20-30000.
You can't knock somebody for saving tax payer dollars.
Last edited by ericferret; 8th November 2021 at 13:16. Reason: addition
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The Army doesn't have the operational capability they need from the helicopters they bought, so they rented a few helicopters to pick up the slack. In typical convoluted Army speak they came up with a good catch-phrase for that "Army interim commercial helicopter capability". That's why the General's get paid the big bucks to come up with fancy words like that.
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The Army doesn't have the operational capability they need from the helicopters they bought, so they rented a few helicopters to pick up the slack
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Just as the RAAF contracted out their SAR requirement, in fact I'm wondering when all of the military will be put out to contract, we already have line aircraft maintenance, catering, and who knows what else. I'm sure all the contract agreements have a "no combat please" clause.
When you aren't deploying those guys and the only output they give back is (an often weak attempt) at support to the high risk weather season you may see some benefit to having a SQN or troop who are current and trained in SAR type operations.