Training during this pandemic
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Nottingham
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Training during this pandemic
I have noticed this last week that a helicopter school has commenced training In the East Midlands area. My personal understanding of the government guidelines means that this is difficult/not acceptable. If SkyWise is to be believed only GA is allowed under 3 specific rules, they must be:
- solo flights
- flights where everyone is from the same household
- flights in aircraft where social distancing measures can be maintained - such as tandem cockpits spaced by more than 2 metres, or occupancy of separate parts of the aircraft structure
I saw the same traffic and wondered what sort of flights they were operating. I think, as has been said elsewhere here, going to the supermarket is probably a higher risk, but that does not mean a dual flight for GA is the right thing to do.
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: UK
Posts: 8
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Seems like a fair amount of flying being done in that area. Can't imagine that is all training related to any essential service contracts. Could be wrong but seems unlikely. I know of two fixed-wing schools who have restarted by merging the instructors and students into 'family groups' in their own accommodation. Fingers crossed we will all be back in the air together soon.
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: UK
Posts: 8
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Nottingham
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I also heard from some people who were at the airfield this last week that a student was due to go out with an examiner for a PC/Skills Test so I’m led to believe there is definitely training being done.
You may want to look at this thread, especially the later posts that discuss social distancing in commercial helicopters as opposed to HEMS operations.
Helicopters and Coronavirus
Helicopters and Coronavirus
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: N/A
Posts: 845
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
IF
the chance of encountering someone who is contageous is < 1 in 5000
AND IF
the chance of death on catching it is < 1 in 1000
AND IF
the chance of catching it from someone sharing your cockpit is <1
THEN
what is the risk? <10^-6 to 10^-7 ?
should training still be discouraged (banned) or is it a matter for common sense yet?
asking for a friend
the chance of encountering someone who is contageous is < 1 in 5000
AND IF
the chance of death on catching it is < 1 in 1000
AND IF
the chance of catching it from someone sharing your cockpit is <1
THEN
what is the risk? <10^-6 to 10^-7 ?
should training still be discouraged (banned) or is it a matter for common sense yet?
asking for a friend
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: lincoln
Age: 62
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
IF
the chance of encountering someone who is contageous is < 1 in 5000
AND IF
the chance of death on catching it is < 1 in 1000
AND IF
the chance of catching it from someone sharing your cockpit is <1
THEN
what is the risk? <10^-6 to 10^-7 ?
should training still be discouraged (banned) or is it a matter for common sense yet?
asking for a friend
the chance of encountering someone who is contageous is < 1 in 5000
AND IF
the chance of death on catching it is < 1 in 1000
AND IF
the chance of catching it from someone sharing your cockpit is <1
THEN
what is the risk? <10^-6 to 10^-7 ?
should training still be discouraged (banned) or is it a matter for common sense yet?
asking for a friend
Hi AnFI
The incidence has been 1 in 850 in the UK but varies between regions. The death rate depends on age but is 1-2%. The chance of catching it in an enclosed space, inches apart for an hour, approaches 1
The issue is not the death rate to you but the risk of infecting others so I suggest all that matters is the 1 in 850. What we have seen in hospitals is that people think the risk is low but then we find the incidence is 15% because they have been together day after day. We have no data on flight training but if they do create similar clusters.....Anyhow, whilst it is legal for the instructor and the military are exempt, it remains illegal for the student so not I suggest something we should support
The incidence has been 1 in 850 in the UK but varies between regions. The death rate depends on age but is 1-2%. The chance of catching it in an enclosed space, inches apart for an hour, approaches 1
The issue is not the death rate to you but the risk of infecting others so I suggest all that matters is the 1 in 850. What we have seen in hospitals is that people think the risk is low but then we find the incidence is 15% because they have been together day after day. We have no data on flight training but if they do create similar clusters.....Anyhow, whilst it is legal for the instructor and the military are exempt, it remains illegal for the student so not I suggest something we should support
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: lincoln
Age: 62
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hi AnFI
The incidence has been 1 in 850 in the UK but varies between regions. The death rate depends on age but is 1-2%. The chance of catching it in an enclosed space, inches apart for an hour, approaches 1
The issue is not the death rate to you but the risk of infecting others so I suggest all that matters is the 1 in 850. What we have seen in hospitals is that people think the risk is low but then we find the incidence is 15% because they have been together day after day. We have no data on flight training but if they do create similar clusters.....Anyhow, whilst it is legal for the instructor and the military are exempt, it remains illegal for the student so not I suggest something we should support
The incidence has been 1 in 850 in the UK but varies between regions. The death rate depends on age but is 1-2%. The chance of catching it in an enclosed space, inches apart for an hour, approaches 1
The issue is not the death rate to you but the risk of infecting others so I suggest all that matters is the 1 in 850. What we have seen in hospitals is that people think the risk is low but then we find the incidence is 15% because they have been together day after day. We have no data on flight training but if they do create similar clusters.....Anyhow, whilst it is legal for the instructor and the military are exempt, it remains illegal for the student so not I suggest something we should support
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Nottingham
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
We seem to be moving off the point. Solo flight is fine as is flight in aircraft where social distancing can be maintained! I just feel that training flights in a Cabri is not acceptable and find it very hard anyone can argue any different!
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: UK
Posts: 8
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Let us change the direction of the thread. I am sure lots of people reading this have had or are going through a tough time. Let move onto a time, hopefully, the not too distant future when we can conduct non-essential, PPL, training. ( I appreciate this is essential for businesses ££ ). Any thoughts on the hazards associated with wearing masks or disposable gloves. Even maybe some recommendations for aircraft friendly cleaning products. Let's use the knowledge in this forum to keep others safe in the future. I have been reading into a product called BacoBan, is a spray that can be used in aircraft and is antibacterial for up to 10 days. Creates an antibac layer over a surface. Has anyone used this before?
My daughter handles the HR for the company that are contracted to to supply ambulances and drivers to many NHS trusts around the SE England and like Radgirl has had to deal with unprecedented situations at the frontline, try telling people like them and thousands of others they are the problem!
Having read some of your other posts a favourite word of yours seems to be “tosh” and On this occasion I think it is fair to say that your comments are “UTTER TOSH” And that’s been polite!
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: lincoln
Age: 62
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Agreed,
My daughter handles the HR for the company that are contracted to to supply ambulances and drivers to many NHS trusts around the SE England and like Radgirl has had to deal with unprecedented situations at the frontline, try telling people like them and thousands of others they are the problem!
Having read some of your other posts a favourite word of yours seems to be “tosh” and On this occasion I think it is fair to say that your comments are “UTTER TOSH” And that’s been polite!
My daughter handles the HR for the company that are contracted to to supply ambulances and drivers to many NHS trusts around the SE England and like Radgirl has had to deal with unprecedented situations at the frontline, try telling people like them and thousands of others they are the problem!
Having read some of your other posts a favourite word of yours seems to be “tosh” and On this occasion I think it is fair to say that your comments are “UTTER TOSH” And that’s been polite!
