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Old 23rd May 2020, 14:38
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I will Never do that again

Ferrying a civilian 500 from a private site in uncontrolled airspace but near to to an Airfield within a CTR a call was required for inbound clearance.
Looking around the panel for the heli's call sign it was not to be seen. 10 miles out at 1000' and books on rear seats what should I do ?
Land and look on outside or proceed with a made up ident and apologise to the controller on landing ? Took second option.
Ex mil and always with an issued personal call sign lead to this error.
What might you be willing to disclose that others might learn from 'that's not in the book' There must be many.


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Old 23rd May 2020, 14:44
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How embarrassing!
How easy do do!
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Old 23rd May 2020, 15:47
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Accidentally took the cat to work. Several hours of sleep later (for the cat, not me) wondered why the runway lights were randomly going on and off. Went in book as "COP" (cat on panel).
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Old 23rd May 2020, 16:17
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Must say I've been in that situation (forgetting the aircraft's callsign and realising there isn't a nameplate in the cockpit) however I had luckily written down the registration on my kneeboard prior to the flight which saved me the embarrassment. Since then I always keep it in the same location on each kneeboard log so I can check the callsign in the same visual area regardless of which type I'm flying.
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Old 23rd May 2020, 19:25
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Been there, done that, when checking out an N reg. Used all the right letters and numbers, but not necessarily in the right order!

But not as embarrassing as an RAF colleague of mine who set off on a helicopter task for the day, only to return ten minutes later and put the aircraft U/S - giving the ground crew an ear wigging about it. He was then offered another helicopter, which he duly signed for and stomped off. He then walked out to the original aircraft, re-loaded all his kit, took off and never noticed! I was sent out with the aircraft he was supposed to be flying and the two F700s (tech logs) to find him and ask which one he actually would like to fly. He didn't believe me until he read the airframe registrations!

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Old 23rd May 2020, 20:38
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For N-registered aircraft Chicken Wings Roost air has the answer:
1 3 Yankee for helicopters
and
3 Bravo Tango for fixed wing
But do expect the follow-up question:
”Is that you Chuck?”
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Old 23rd May 2020, 21:12
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Originally Posted by Self loading bear View Post
For N-registered aircraft Chicken Wings Roost air has the answer:
1 3 Yankee for helicopters
and
3 Bravo Tango for fixed wing
But do expect the follow-up question:
”Is that you Chuck?”
It's not often I can't understand the gist of a post, but in this case..... sorry, not a clue.
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Old 23rd May 2020, 21:14
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque View Post
It's not often I can't understand the gist of a post, but in this case..... sorry, not a clue.
ShyT,

https://www.chickenwingscomics.com



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Old 23rd May 2020, 21:25
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Aah, Thanks, SP - got it now!
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Old 23rd May 2020, 21:30
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Senior Pilot,
Thanks I was in the same boat as Shy going Huh
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Old 23rd May 2020, 21:53
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I will Never do that again

Go back to Chicken Wings and spend 30 minutes looking for old cartoons



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Old 23rd May 2020, 21:57
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Apologies,
I thought that Chicken Wings and Roost air would ring a bell with most of you,

This one is one of my favorites:


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Old 23rd May 2020, 23:53
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I did a similar thing in Abu Dhabi. I had just arrived and my first task was to to carry out an air test in a WS55 Whirlwind. I got airborne and left the zone to do the air test outside controlled airspace. When I was ready to return, I couldn’t remember the aircraft registration (callsign) and there was no placard in the cockpit. I though about the problem for a couple of minutes and decided to make up a false callsign. When asked by ATC, “What happened to VR-XXX”, I said “it went u/s”. No further questions asked. I haven’t a clue who got the landing fee charge.
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Conducting a quick check ride with a junior pilot and did some autos with him. They were the first ones I did at 4500 feet above where I usually do them (sea level) and I didn't check the FM beforehand. Made for an interesting time at the bottom.
Someone older than me - a Wagners King Air pilot sitting on the ground waiting at Caloundra airport years ago - once told me - "never take the aircraft anywhere your brain hasn't already been". It's a good one.

Another time I kept referring to myself as a fixed wing aircraft when quizzed by Sydney ATC. I was in a helicopter. It had been a long few months and that was enough encouragement to go and have a day off.
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Old 24th May 2020, 04:45
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Originally Posted by ApolloHeli View Post
Must say I've been in that situation (forgetting the aircraft's callsign and realising there isn't a nameplate in the cockpit) however I had luckily written down the registration on my kneeboard prior to the flight which saved me the embarrassment. Since then I always keep it in the same location on each kneeboard log so I can check the callsign in the same visual area regardless of which type I'm flying.
Phew, close call.
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Old 24th May 2020, 08:37
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People can be cruel with callsigns - there was a chap in the RAF many years ago who had a slight stammer and struggled with words beginning with F - he was given the callsign of 44Foxtrot on the Tac net. FFFFFFFFFF........
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Old 24th May 2020, 11:22
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People can be cruel with callsigns - there was a chap in the RAF many years ago who had a slight stammer and struggled with words beginning with F - he was given the callsign of 44Foxtrot on the Tac net. FFFFFFFFFF........
Thread drift sorry, but we used to amuse ourselves with our storeman from the west-country who had particularly broad accent, 'Th' sounds came out as 'F'. When we had to cost a job he held all of the prices in a paper log.
So we'd pick a list of things with '3's in them and go ask him - "It's Firteen pounds and Firty Free' came the answer. And then 10mins later another engineer would go by with the same list. Ah children can be cruel.
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Old 24th May 2020, 12:00
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Many years ago, while a wannabe, I learned that when a parked helicopter’s lights start flashing, stand clear as the pilot is about to fire up. Cut to now - solo detail - halfway round the third circuit I realise the strobe and nav lights are OFF. I did that twice before it really sunk in how to use a checklist.
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Old 24th May 2020, 12:02
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Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
People can be cruel with callsigns - there was a chap in the RAF many years ago who had a slight stammer and struggled with words beginning with F - he was given the callsign of 44Foxtrot on the Tac net. FFFFFFFFFF........
Ah yes, the tac c/s. There are a couple which stick in the mind: "22" (because its a small bore) and "Hansel & Gretel" ( who got lost in the woods)
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Old 24th May 2020, 16:49
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And in the same vein - Gimlet - a small, boring tool and Thrush (i'll leave you to remember that one)
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