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Robinson service and sense of responsibility - or lack of it

Old 20th May 2020, 11:16
  #41 (permalink)  
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Is there any scenario where the operators and pilots aren't blamed for the aircraft's reputation?
Or is that just the case until it happens to you, or people you respect?

Robbie has had particularly strong sales in some key regions, it shouldn't be a surprise that those regions have more accidents. Brazil is an odd case, much like Russia, they seem determined to shuffle off their mortal coil in anything with wings, most likely cultural.
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Old 20th May 2020, 12:36
  #42 (permalink)  
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Over the past 15 years I've been operating various types of helicopters and I have had various issues with all of the manufacturers and their representatives (Bell, RR, Airbus, Safran and Leonardo).
So far, I've always had the impression that their reps should be on an exchange program with Robinson to learn about "Customer Support" and "How to treat your customer the right way".
RHC has always been very friendly and helpful when we needed them. It's sad to hear that in this case (obviously) something really goes wrong.
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Old 20th May 2020, 12:43
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We've had this discussion already, BR, multiple times. Here is one example:

Another Robinson crash

So the short answer is to your question is "no, there generally is no such scenario", with the inevitable few exceptions, of course. Robinson helicopters don't just fall out of the sky (there was a great topic on that very statement but it eludes my search button at the moment). Unless you think there is a vast conspiracy at the Robinson factory along the lines of "Oh, crap, this one came out like shit, let's ship it to some other country."

And let there be no illusions, or in my case self-deception: I could be the next pilot to f*ck up. As we all know, any pilot at any level of skill or risk aversion can and does make mistakes. Sometimes fatal mistakes. Most of us endeavor with all our might to not be That Guy. I certainly do. If I fly the Robinson in accordance with the POH it's not likely to be the helicopter's fault.

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Old 21st May 2020, 14:07
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Originally Posted by aa777888 View Post
With all due respect to your friends, certain countries outside the US, in particular NZ and Brasil, are dramatic statistical outliers compared to the US for Robinson accidents. Since the designs are the same worldwide, this can only speak to how they are trained, flown and maintained in those countries.
A bit of anecdotal evidence here from an Australian R22 accident report I read about today in "Vertical".

A Robinson R22 helicopter collided with terrain when it likely encountered a downdraft with insufficient height to recover... The investigation also found a number of other factors that increased risk, including incomplete pre-flight planning, overloading, a forward centre-of-gravity, and the pilotís elevated blood alcohol level.

ďExamination of the pilotís iPad and iPhone found it was unlikely that flight planning data, such as meteorological information, had been accessed in the lead-up to the flight,Ē ... The investigation report also notes that it was very likely that the helicopter was overweight on departure and its centre-of-gravity was beyond the forward limit for the entire flight.

The report also notes that alcohol was also present in the pilotís blood at a level capable of impairing performance. However, evidence of previous low flying suggested the pilotís actions may have been normal behaviour and not influenced by alcohol.
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Old 21st May 2020, 22:09
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Thread drift. As often is the case with Robinson discussion.

If I fly the Robinson in accordance with the POH it's not likely to be the helicopter's fault.
This is why I would fly an R22/R44 again.
But wouldn’t fly an EC225 again.
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