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Cheap way to get 155 hours for CPL (H) training/test

Old 3rd Dec 2019, 11:45
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Originally Posted by aa777888 View Post
You can move to the US where there are no age limits for FAA Part 91 and 135 commercial work, which I think represents the bulk of US commercial helicopter operations--are there any Part 121 operators? Probably not many...
How does one just move to the US and get a work permit ? Please explain...
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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 11:47
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Originally Posted by GoodGrief View Post
How does one just move to the US and get a work permit ? Please explain...
Very difficult, Ive looked and couldn't do it. Best way is to get a VISA which allows 1 year training and 1 year of work. However after that its back to the UK and back to square one near enough. Not a great idea unless you can move and work there for many years
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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 14:51
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Originally Posted by GoodGrief View Post
How does one just move to the US and get a work permit ? Please explain...
One doesn't. You can get married, invest money ($500,000+) or try the green card lottery if eligible. You might be able to get a student visa which allows you to train up to CFI then work as a flight instructor, but it's 2 years max.

You need to really want this: age is against you and it's likely you'll never earn back the cost of training.
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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 15:53
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Well I live in California where I'm surrounded by foreigners (who live here) everywhere I go, so you guys are moving here ALL THE TIME!,..though mostly from India and Asia.

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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 19:40
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Originally Posted by heli87 View Post
I would be surprised if you finish by early / in January with how the weather can be, the availability over Christmas and with all the PPL exams to pass, 7 hours in is too early to tell if you're going to blast through the rest easily and finish close to the 45 hours. I did mine in my early 20's 3 to 4 days per week through summer and it still took me 5 months and I passed with 50 hours. ( the weather wasn't the best that year )

ATPL exams are your next problem, I don't know your background but they definitely aren't easy and are only getting harder, if you passed them in under 6 months it would be impressive by anyones standards.

Class 1 - get that straight away so you know you can get it when you need it, wouldn't want to spend 50 odd K on your PPL, Hour building and ATPL's then find out you can't get one due to a medical issue.

You can still instruct on a Class 2 though, but bare in mind you'll need 200 hours pilot in command and still need to pass the commercial exams ( this will bypass the need for a CPL, but thats around 200 hours of hour building after you've got your PPL )

If you do manage to get all this done by the time you're 56/57 you'll only have 3-4 years left to fly commercially but on such little hours the hopes of getting any work are very slim/next to none. If I'm not mistaken and someone will probably correct me, you can fly up to the age of 65 as a co pilot providing the pilot in command is under 60. This means going multi crew and realistically having to do your IR ,then find a company that will take on a pilot who only has a few years of their career left and can only fly with another pilot present.
Sorry if this all seems a little harsh but just being honest.

If you have your heart set on it then go for it, its never too late, but just be realistic in the fact that you may get quite a way in and realise your only route is to instruct.

Which aircraft are you currently flying and where are you located?
Thatís if he wants to do CAT. Can always carry on doing SPO work👍, more interesting too.
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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 21:09
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Originally Posted by BertieC View Post
Sowait for it.

I've been flying 9 days and have 7 hours, But I am on course to finish my PPL () early January as I am ramping up the hours from next week,

I've taken a lot of knocks recently (divorce finalised, cancer op ,mother committing suicide - all in the one week, a month ago) and so decided to change my life
and do what I've always dreamed of doing. I have the money but I want to qualify fast. And fast usually means you pay a premium which is why I should have been more accurate
and said I'm looking for a not expensive fast way to do this.

I'm 55 and so speed is important!

Thanks for your replies. Keep them coming.
Speed kills.
If you would be able to finish early January (which you won't with UK winter weather and other factors) then you should really question yourself about the quality of the course and how safe you would be as a pilot.
You will need to study for the theory exams, you can take a shortcut doing a 5 day theory (answer) course to get the exams out of the way but that means another 5 days gone, no flying.
With no shortcut you'll need to study at night for the exams since you'll be flying during the day. That doesn't leave much time to practise navigation planning, revise exercises etc.
Then there is the fact that not many students finish in 45 hours, you might be lucky but I would put my money on 60 hours which is still a good average. Many older students are slower taking in the theory, struggle a bit more getting it all to a good standard. I would aim for end of February/March and that still sounds ambitious...
You might have luck on your side and get it all done early January but ask yourself how much do you really understand and remember about the aircraft, the weather, navigation etc.
Since you want to go for a CPL, make sure you have a good foundation (PPL), it will make your CPL easier and most likely make you a better pilot and keeping the sky safer.
There have been other pilots who threw money into the training school to get the PPL quicker, most of them didn't enjoy the license that long....
But regardless of the above, best of luck with the PPL. Hope you're flying at a place where they give you good training and support and not just fly and take your cash.
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Old 4th Dec 2019, 10:26
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No way will you finish in Jan !
The best way to fly is do 3 half days a week ( day on day off ) flying 2 lessons in each session. That makes about 6 to 7 hours a week, any more then the training becomes counter productive ! So with 9 weeks to end of Jan then theoretically yes but with factors such as weather, aircraft availability, instructor etc etc plus the weather for 10 hour solo you are really pushing water uphill. If the school says no problem I would go else where
Well my pony worth
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Old 4th Dec 2019, 22:33
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Just to pitch in here, but I managed to finish my PPL(H) in 10 weeks from first trial lesson till skills test. Albeit this was from June - August so the weather was rarely an issue in the south of England (I enjoyed flying when the weather was poor with an instructor as you learn more than always flying in perfect conditions). I did however pretty much do it full time between the theory and flying during my summer break from Uni, so if the flying is gonna be part-time for you I wouldn't hold my breath on finishing in less than three months.
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Old 5th Dec 2019, 00:38
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Originally Posted by ApolloHeli View Post
Just to pitch in here, but I managed to finish my PPL(H) in 10 weeks from first trial lesson till skills test. Albeit this was from June - August so the weather was rarely an issue in the south of England (I enjoyed flying when the weather was poor with an instructor as you learn more than always flying in perfect conditions). I did however pretty much do it full time between the theory and flying during my summer break from Uni, so if the flying is gonna be part-time for you I wouldn't hold my breath on finishing in less than three months.
Me too, November to January in fact.

,...though I was in the Arizona desert :-)
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 03:02
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Thank you for all your responses. I'm recallibrating my time-horizon as I type.

CPL(H)? Ok. I'll have to look into that more. As I say, I'm new so didn't realise there was an age 60 cut off. Did an Ironman for my 50th. Does that
count towards taking a few years off?

Exams/maps etc. Not too worried. I've got a first class degre in engineering and did and Msc last year and the brain still works.

Not working at the moment - in fact I'm a private detective so work comes along as projects and I've stopped taking on stuff for now - sabatical to get this done - so would fly during the day read/revise like mad during the evening. i'm used to hard work. Ran a company with Debroah Meaden for many years (for those Brits who know her) and that was not plain sailing.

Safe pilot in short time span training - point taken.

Medical - point taken. I'll get that done asap-.

Weather crap - point taken.

I'm learning as I go along and am very happy to be criticised. I respond positively to abuse and learn quicker!

My real aim is to just tell my 19 and 17 year old sons one day next year that I'd like to take them out for a day.. Then drop into Battersea Heliport, pick them up., whip them over London, then off somewhere for lunch.

By the way - does anyone know of anyone that might be looking to sell an R44 come Feb/Mar? Or a syndicate that needs another member? I'm based in London and depending on which woman is going to abuse me of an evening i either turn right or left at Hammersmith Broadway but either way 10 mins from Battersea.

Thanks everyone. I'll oush on for the end of Jan and let you know just how far short (or long should say) of that target.

Cheers.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 03:09
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 07:25
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Without wishing to sound macabre, it's those family day outs (and weddings) with a newly licensed pilot that tend to find their way onto the 6 o'clock news.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 09:14
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Now that is macabre! Is the inference that all PPL's need 1000+ hrs before they can take friends and family up? Yes, in some rare cases, a new PPL comes to grief, but no more than the other end of the bell curve of experience\accident likelihood.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 11:56
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No inference what-so-ever. I've done flight reviews on 10,000+ hour ATP pilots who I'd never in a million years let fly my kids. But newly minted PPL's and family jollies can be a recipe for a bad day out.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 12:57
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One can but hope in this day and age the flight school would instil a sense of duty of care and flying within ones abilities.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 16:21
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Originally Posted by BertieC View Post
Then drop into Battersea Heliport, pick them up., whip them over London, then off somewhere for lunch.Cheers.
Before you get too excited about landing at Battersea, do note that a quick stop/go there will not leave you much change from £500.

A "hot" turnaround (15min slot land & go) for a R22/R44 is £305+VAT = £366; then add another £100 to bump your helicopter liability insurance cover up (for one day) to their required £15million which your helicopter will most likely not have by default.

On the brighter side, a landing at the Paris heliport (Issy-les-Moulineaux Heliport) will only set you back EUR 28.50 and you can park there all day.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 16:56
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RMK

Not sure you would want to go to Paris at the moment as the heliport is probably on strike !
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 19:45
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Originally Posted by RMK View Post
Before you get too excited about landing at Battersea, do note that a quick stop/go there will not leave you much change from £500.

A "hot" turnaround (15min slot land & go) for a R22/R44 is £305+VAT = £366; then add another £100 to bump your helicopter liability insurance cover up (for one day) to their required £15million which your helicopter will most likely not have by default.
And don't forget the instructor/safety pilot required for the first trip who must be Battersea current and the tower visit you have to make to be approved for Battersea ops...................

SND
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 20:31
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Originally Posted by Sir Niall Dementia View Post

And don't forget the instructor/safety pilot required for the first trip who must be Battersea current and the tower visit you have to make to be approved for Battersea ops...................

SND
No, surprsingly Battersea don't charge for the initial training/checkout flight landing.

However, the same (checkout) applies to Paris Issy; you must first go in with an instructor and learn the procedure for which you get a certificate. You can't just "rock up" to either location.
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Old 9th Dec 2019, 04:43
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I'm not sure of the point of your last post.

You offer no constructive help.

You are non-specific with your criticism.

In fact it left I'm left wondering why you bothered to type anything at all.

I would hope that you would credit me with a little bit more common sense when it comes to safety.

So please do me a favour. Either make yourself clear or shut up.

Thank you.
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