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Old 24th Jul 2019, 20:20
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Helicopter accident Colombia........

One person left in a coma, another with both legs broken...during a shot for a soap opera in Colombia:

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=s40ZC_1563977318
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Old 24th Jul 2019, 21:19
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Another good VRS training video for the library.
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Old 24th Jul 2019, 21:34
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Looking at the swing of the load, it looks like someoneís first attempt with an external load with any sort of length of line. Didn't see a hoist or hoist operator, so assuming vertical reference.
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 01:28
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That video speaks volumes about how solidly Bell products are built.
Amazed the skids were able to absorb that rate of descent!
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 01:59
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Nobody is going to hang off a line below somebody without extensive experience. Iím assuming t/r failure or some other mechanical issue. I would have preferred to have dropped the guys from the survivable height they were at initially when the problem developed rather than put them in that violent swing and send them hurling at the ground.
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 02:42
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I’m with havick, I’ve seen the same teaching beginners long-line. Add some weight (3 on board plus two on the rope), density altitude, overpitching with rotor decay, less effective tailrotor and she’ll come down yawing right. Amazing it held together, with the tail fin flexing when it hits the ground. I’d be looking closely at the witness spike under the transmission.
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 05:17
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Another good VRS training video for the library.
I think SWP is far more likely.
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 05:36
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No, no, it was LTE, and definitely not the pilot's fault.....(where is that sarcasm emoji??)

Having seen how an inexperienced pilot can "chase" a swinging load and get 180 out of sequence with it, I feel that this is what happened here. The machine was physically moving around, not just yawing, to fling the load out to the side like that. Load got close to the trees, pilot flares and pedals away from it, starts to fly in the other direction (load accelerates away from trees), pilot turns again to stop that movement, and it goes to worms with the load people swung around almost horizontal. Amazing the loop didn't pop out of the sideways-facing hook of the 206. Tail rotor appeared to be working OK.
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 06:34
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Wot's a witness spike?
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 08:23
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Looks like he lost the tail and dumped the collective.
Another good example of looking good for the cameras syndrome.
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 09:55
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If you droop your Nr, which he seemed to do, you will definitely lose TR effectiveness very quickly - it might be a chicken and egg thing here.
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 09:58
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Wot's a witness spike?
The little upside-down cone thingy that hangs off the bottom of the Xmsn inside a ring of softer metal which is on the work deck. If the Xmsn gets a big rock up, the spike dings against the metal and deforms it, and is evidence of a "spike knock", i.e. hand over your cheque book, sonny, this is gonna cost ya.

Looks like he lost the tail
Eh???
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 11:33
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Nobody is going to hang off a line below somebody without extensive experience.
You know this how?
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 12:34
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There is a video on Facebook (to which I cannot link) that shows this ship in a fairly well stabilized hover as a ground crew removes the damaged skids. Once that is done the pilot sets the ship down on a specially built cradle. I'm assuming they flew it from the film site back to the airport after the hard landing. I'm also assuming it was a different (and better!) pilot.
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 12:58
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"That video speaks volumes about how solidly Bell products are built."

Most Bells, end up with the rotor head laying somewhere beside the aircraft. Not actually solid in my books. This one though, is the unicorn of the Bell world.
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 16:09
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Originally Posted by hookes_joint View Post
Nobody is going to hang off a line below somebody without extensive experience.
This is in a third world country. I can tell you about a game show in Mexico where contestants were told to hang on to a boom on a helicopter, (like a spray boom), while the pilot flew around a lake and tried to shake them off..... They had no training, and the first time they saw it was when the helicopter showed up. The pilot was told which person should "win" and to "do what it takes" to get the others off in shorter time......
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 16:50
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VRS?...................NO way JosŽ

SWP?..................Maybe? OverPitching = Nr droop, massive TR authority going, going, gone

Pilot.....................Maybe? (if none of the above, then; Yes)


Happy landings VF

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Old 27th Jul 2019, 10:45
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You know this how?
Being one of the guys on the top end looking down for a few thousand hours. Iíd be pretty selective if I were on the dangly end
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Old 27th Jul 2019, 12:05
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Having been on both ends of said dangly thing....I cared not doing either.

There is a huge difference in the responsibility I had for the external loads I carried....drop a piece of machinery and the Boss Fellah can buy another one.

Drop or otherwise do in a human being....and they cannot be replaced.

While doing Live Hauls I devoted every essence of my abilities (far in excess of hauling a load of bagged cement or water for instance) to ensuring the folks got back to the ground safely.

I always remembered in the event of a malfunction of any kind or magnitude....my first priority was getting the people down safely first then it was my turn.
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Old 28th Jul 2019, 00:31
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I always remembered in the event of a malfunction of any kind or magnitude....my first priority was getting the people down safely first then it was my turn.
Sassy, tend to disagree. We always briefed that if there was a person on the hoist when we had an emergency, the three or more in the aircraft were more important than the one on the wire. If we were losing power and descending, we would try to let him hit the ground before cutting the cable, but my priorities were on getting the aircraft and crew safely to the ground. If he was at the skids, keep reeling him in, but if below the skids he had to be cut off when safe to do so, to avoid squishing him.
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