NHV catch a cold
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NHV catch a cold
So the yellow dream is over. NHV post a 1.8 million euro loss. The CEO is moved on and to top it all issue a warning that the business might be unsustainable.
So you do actually have to make money when you bid on a contract who would have thought.
At least they are acting fast or maybe they don’t have the cash reserve bristow have?
any thoughts
So you do actually have to make money when you bid on a contract who would have thought.
At least they are acting fast or maybe they don’t have the cash reserve bristow have?
any thoughts
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Being a company with revenue in the range of 250-300 million Euro.
The 1.8 million loss is small.
The big question is if the decline in profit is temporary or structural and growing or already under control.
The 1.8 million loss is small.
The big question is if the decline in profit is temporary or structural and growing or already under control.
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From: Moo moo land
while the loss is relatively small especially compared to the hundreds of millions of dollars bristow has lost .
The statement that the business might be unsustainable in the long term shocked me.
The statement that the business might be unsustainable in the long term shocked me.
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Not sure how well you understand O&G operations from the IOC perspective, but that is the absolute last scenario they want! In fact it’s regarded as the biggest risk to business continuity
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Not sure how well you understand O&G operations from the IOC perspective, but that is the absolute last scenario they want! In fact it’s regarded as the biggest risk to business continuity
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I have never yet seen a loss reported that wasn't the best case scenario drawing in every receivable and deferring every payable to make it the best looking number possible. The only exception would be an unrecoverable quarter or year, where you just chuck everything in, hoping it's an anomaly and the next quarter will be better.The fact the CEO is gone and the warning about the sustainability of the business implies there may be more to the story. Babcock and Bristow have both made similar comments about the market conditions in the North Sea.
A bad market and competitive pricing to remain in business is one thing, but to all drive yourselves into bankruptcy is another. I hope their Customers are all paying close attention to the situation.
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It is just for NHV UK, not the whole NHV group.
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Is this being taken out of context? If you look at Google, Starbucks, Amazon etc, they all make very little, if any, UK profit on paper due to the way they play the various tax laws - eg by the UK subsidiary paying the parent company a "licence fee" to use the brand name in the UK.
Taking the accounts of a single subsidiary of a larger group could be as useful as a chocolate teapot.
Taking the accounts of a single subsidiary of a larger group could be as useful as a chocolate teapot.
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Annual reports of NHV group can be found here;
https://www.nbb.be/en/central-balance-sheet-office
latest filing is of fiscal year 2017. 2018 will probably be filed somewhere late May/early June.
The reports are interesting reading material because you can also find management statements and views on the market.
cheers
https://www.nbb.be/en/central-balance-sheet-office
latest filing is of fiscal year 2017. 2018 will probably be filed somewhere late May/early June.
The reports are interesting reading material because you can also find management statements and views on the market.
cheers
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sorry my sarcasm didn't come across. I am well aware of the risk to business continuity, however it hasn't changed the fact loss making contracts are still being awarded.
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Crazi
IOCs don't have insight into all of a helicopter operators' costs. When selecting a successful tenderer, providing bids meet the safety and technical requirements, its natural that an IOC will select the lowest cost option from the submitted responses.
It seems to be a popular view that oil companies are always villainous in selecting the most competitive tender and should somehow volunteer to pay helicopter companies extra to compensate for their own poor business decisions.
Much of the current industry malaise among helicopter companies is as a result of their taking advantage of aircraft lease deals which appeared cheap at the time with little or no thought as to what may happen if there was an industry downturn. So large was the capacity increase caused by abundant lease deals that when the downturn came, even the grounding of the complete 225 offshore fleet didn't cause a shortage of aircraft.
sorry my sarcasm didn't come across. I am well aware of the risk to business continuity, however it hasn't changed the fact loss making contracts are still being awarded.
It seems to be a popular view that oil companies are always villainous in selecting the most competitive tender and should somehow volunteer to pay helicopter companies extra to compensate for their own poor business decisions.
Much of the current industry malaise among helicopter companies is as a result of their taking advantage of aircraft lease deals which appeared cheap at the time with little or no thought as to what may happen if there was an industry downturn. So large was the capacity increase caused by abundant lease deals that when the downturn came, even the grounding of the complete 225 offshore fleet didn't cause a shortage of aircraft.
