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Old 10th Nov 2019, 19:20
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Originally Posted by HeliComparator View Post
except that the transfer pumps don’t need to be turned off, unless they are the crappy ones. Why not get rid of the crappy ones and then things would be much simpler and safer? No-one has bothered to do a risk assessment of the downside of the crappy ones vs ensuring that the pumps are the Test Fuchs type. What price making the system more error tolerant?
The pumps do need to be turned off if that is what the drill says.

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Old 10th Nov 2019, 23:44
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Originally Posted by Sloppy Link View Post

The pumps do need to be turned off if that is what the drill says.
But the drill wouldn’t need to say that if the only type of pump fitted was the Test Fuchs type. That is my point.
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 08:00
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Originally Posted by handysnaks View Post
Or cab (back in the day).
I hope Flying Bull continues to make his points and gives DB a severe ignoring.
TX s
bye the way - there is actually a helicopter, which is official named bird
MH-6 Little Bird Light Utility Helicopter | Military-Today.com
;-)

To fuel pumps - not really the ideal situation, that with only little fuel left, either the front or back pump runs dry (hovering / cruise).
Better to have pumps with run dry capability - but still, pumps are cautions, low fuel is a warning, which needs to be addressed accordingly.
Different to the normal aviation world, where you have time and need to do a proper preflight planning including fuel planning (normally on a sheet which needs to be taken onto the flight), police and SAR flights and some military - get missions while being airborne.
So you have to do inflight flight planning - but this should and normally does include fuel planning (trip / reserve fuel)
And the planning needs continues fine-tuning with changing mission parameters.
That it is demanding - at night - with two further crew members possible pushing towards mission completion - no question at all.
Everybody operating in a similar environment should therefore remember this crash and adjust his decision making towards safety.
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 17:00
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FB, Crab and Handy Snaks, Thou have the right o call them "Choppers", "Cabs", "Birds", "Flingwings" etc.
Crab its been a long time since you have got your gander up at ,me. Now I am just getting to old to react.
However, its a "Helicopter" or and "Aircraft" and it will always et my teeth on edge when someone calls it an odd name and "Bird" is the one that gets to me the most.
FB, if you cant speak English proper like! Don't worry,

In truth I am slightly dismayed that this whole subject has been resurrected. I thought it had already been thrashed out completely.
Any way goona get back in me motor and mosey on down to the boozer before the Trouble and Strife finds out.
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 09:52
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Some great support for the pilot and criticism of the report from the police crew families in this news article

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland...-west-50585953
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 15:41
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Originally Posted by nomorehelosforme View Post
Some great support for the pilot and criticism of the report from the police crew families in this news article

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland...-west-50585953
Well, does´t change the facts.
Good for the morale of the relatives - but ...

Don´t screw with Murphy (s law) (https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...=Murphys%20Law)
It´s always better to be on the ground and wishing to be in the air - then to be in the air, wishing you were on the ground....
So if you have an indication in the cockpit, treat it, as if it is real - it actually might be, even if it was an false indication the last 20 or so times.
As Murphy would say, the moment you assume its false, it will be for real...
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 16:02
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FB - you have it nailed in one.............................if in doubt chicken out.
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