Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Rotorheads
Reload this Page >

Air Ambulance

Rotorheads A haven for helicopter professionals to discuss the things that affect them

Air Ambulance

Old 8th May 2018, 04:38
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Ayrshire
Posts: 15
Air Ambulance

Anyone in or around Ayrshire interested in starting an air ambulance service?
ARobur is offline  
Old 8th May 2018, 09:00
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 3,666
Yeah, OK then.....................

You're not in Marketing are you?
Thomas coupling is offline  
Old 8th May 2018, 10:44
  #3 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Ayrshire
Posts: 15
Nope. Why are you interested?
ARobur is offline  
Old 8th May 2018, 13:38
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 3,666
Christ! You're serious!
Is that it then - starting up a multi million pound org with loads of staff, rules, regs, compliances, safety plans, risk registers, sponsors, aircraft, maintenance, finances, volunteer workforce, training, real estate, pensions, insurance cover, SOP's, advertising, auditing, rostering, customers?

Anyone in or around Ayrshire interested in starting an air ambulance service?
Need a bit more to go on, methinks.........
Thomas coupling is offline  
Old 8th May 2018, 15:19
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Canada
Posts: 291
i spilled my coffee.....thanks a bunch
GrayHorizonsHeli is offline  
Old 9th May 2018, 20:54
  #6 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Ayrshire
Posts: 15
Sorry bout that, wasn't deliberate
ARobur is offline  
Old 9th May 2018, 23:06
  #7 (permalink)  

Howcanwebeexpectedtoflylikeeagles
whensurroundedbyturkeys
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Scotland
Posts: 197
How much do you need?
HughMartin is offline  
Old 9th May 2018, 23:17
  #8 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Ayrshire
Posts: 15
I think I can keep the clinical and marketing costs below 15000 if most of the monitors, trolleys, ventilators e.t.c. are rented rather than purchased.
The aviation costs I'm not quite so sure about, one of the reasons I'm posting here is to try and find out more about it.

I forget the helicopter used by London HEMS but it uses a jetstream rather than a tail rotor for stabilization and the main rotors are higher so it can be used in urban areas without decapitating people who don't have the sense to stand back.
ARobur is offline  
Old 9th May 2018, 23:22
  #9 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Ayrshire
Posts: 15
I just looked it up. Apparently it's a Mcdonnell Douglas Explorer. It looked far too small inside to be able to carry a stretchered patient but according to one of the HEMS firemen I spoke to they do use them to extract patients as well as for rapid response.
ARobur is offline  
Old 10th May 2018, 04:42
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: EGDC
Posts: 7,475
ARobur - if that is the depth and breadth of your aviation knowledge, I suggest you do a whole lot more research before asking here. Have you tried ringing one of the many charities that provide AA in UK?
crab@SAAvn.co.uk is offline  
Old 10th May 2018, 05:56
  #11 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Ayrshire
Posts: 15
I've done some training with London HEMS, although they're really established and they've got quite an extensive scope of practice. They're well funded enough to be able to operate quite routinely as well unlike other places like Oxfordshire. The delivery varies across the UK as well like up until recently in Ulster it was mainly provided by the military and in Scotland it's usually private companies.
ARobur is offline  
Old 10th May 2018, 07:52
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Asia Pacific
Age: 48
Posts: 1,759
I've done some training with London HEMS, although they're really established and they've got quite an extensive scope of practice. They're well funded enough to be able to operate quite routinely as well unlike other places like Oxfordshire. The delivery varies across the UK as well like up until recently in Ulster it was mainly provided by the military and in Scotland it's usually private companies.
Half right - its a private company delivering on behalf of Scottish Air Ambulance.

I am guessing you are a clinician of some form; helicopters are an expensive business, you're going to have to rattle a lot of tins, and people are probably going to ask 'why do we need another service when we already have one?'. But please, it's your time, burn through it however you wish......
minigundiplomat is offline  
Old 10th May 2018, 07:57
  #13 (permalink)  

Howcanwebeexpectedtoflylikeeagles
whensurroundedbyturkeys
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Scotland
Posts: 197
In Scotland there are already two full time air ambulance helicopters ( one based at Glasgow, the other at Inverness) fully funded by the Scottish Government via the Scottish Ambulance Service. They are supplemented by two fixed wing aircraft.

The aircraft are supplied by a private company under contract but are managed by the ambulance service. There is also a charity funded helicopter based at Perth.

But I guess you know all this already.
HughMartin is offline  
Old 10th May 2018, 11:15
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 3,666
Arobur (A robber?).
I'm new here too ().
Assuming this isn't some sort of wind up, because you have nothing better to do, let me give you some idea:
Leasing a modern twin turbine helicopter to include maintenance, insurance, spares, depreciation: 3 million minimum/year.
Staff costs (IF single pilot? minimum:4 pilots/paramedics/doctors? / back room bureaucrats / CEO: 750,000/year.
Maintaining your AOC: 12k/year.
Insurance for legal liability/hull/director/product/passenger: 50k/year.
Operational equipment (medical/NVD/flying kit): Initial outlay: 2 million? Servicing: 50k/year.
Airbase: Purchase land? Build helipad and hangar? Maintain:? Lease someones helipad?
Training: 20k/year.
Then there are the volunteers who provide the income by spending their valuable spare time shaking the public down for such a good cause: Welfare/running costs/overheads?
Adverttsing and recruitng?

Apart from that it's a cinch, I guess.

Now - what was the question Mr A robber?
Thomas coupling is offline  
Old 10th May 2018, 11:29
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: london
Posts: 630
Be gentle TC

He is going to get a helicopter with a jetstream...... never seen one of those
homonculus is offline  
Old 10th May 2018, 11:56
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Canada
Posts: 291
You cant start something unless you dream it first.
I give the guy the benefit of the doubt.

In Canada, nearly every Astar, and Bell product is an "Air Ambulance". Throw in a stretcher and voila, even the smallest operator, with the lowest time pilot is out saving lives.

It all depends what this guys dreams are.
Is he looking to offer something simple, or is he going after a major player type operation with bases all over?

If he wrote a post explaining all his plans, should he have them, it could be pages long, and from what I have seen here, thats an impossible task to grab any one of your attentions for longer than 2 or 3 paragraphs. That's hardly enough time to explain anything. And really, unless you have the cash and dream he has, what business is it of yours to know his plan in detail?

I look at all the aviation clueless people running management positions at Airbus, and they seem quite successful. They put people in the positions with the skills they require...I have this feeling that this guy just wants to offer a service that he sees is lacking, and this is his starting point. How he gets to the end is the journey that will play out.
GrayHorizonsHeli is offline  
Old 10th May 2018, 13:33
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 3,666
Grayhorizon: I've got a football, I'm thinking of setting up a premier division football club, any takers?
The clue is in the delivery......
If one is serious about starting an air ambulance service in the UK, one does not begin with PPRuNe, one would suggest

PS: This is the UK, a sub district of EASAland..sticking a plank of wood in an Astar and wazzing around the country is NOT something we would permit, for obvious reasons. One being that we are so far up our Backsides with rules and regs and litigation, it simply isn't going to happen.
Thomas coupling is offline  
Old 10th May 2018, 14:02
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Canada
Posts: 291
Have fun with your football team aspirations.
if im interested or can offer some services i will.
but for now...i dont care to be interested in your venture
GrayHorizonsHeli is offline  
Old 10th May 2018, 17:14
  #19 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Ayrshire
Posts: 15
Yeh it's ARobur as in Auguste Robur from that Jules Verne novel actually. If you didn't know that.
I am a clinician and I'm trying to find out more information about it because I don't know any pilots. I would have used Linkedin but they don't let you message people you're not connected with without a pro account anymore.
ARobur is offline  
Old 10th May 2018, 21:15
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 3,666
OK, joking aside - why would anyone who is serious about promoting their profession - turn to a rumour gossip speculative forum?
Surely to goodness you would DYOR and speak to someone who is already in that position of running an air ambulance, no?
You would visit and take notes, hold meetings, speak to SME's, speak to sponsors.
In short, you'd need 5-6 million to set up a day VFR operation and require 2-3 million in donations annually to sustain it. PLUS a handful of experts in: aviation, business, insurance and law to make sure you don't come a cropper.
The good news is that this sliver of the helicopter industry attracts and commands wholehearted support from the public with their blind faith in humanity.
Value for money - it is a failed model, both practically and financially. But it tugs at the heart strings.
Good luck in your wild endeavours young sir - youre going to need it!
Thomas coupling is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.