Ayers Rock helicopter crash
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From: Wanaka, NZ
The only time a Robinson helicopter brought a smile to my face - apart from all the times when they meet their untimely demise - is watching PigmanTV "Aporkalypse Next" videos on YouTube. I don't know how that thing gets in the air and stays there with all those 250+ lb people on board, cameras, guns and ammo in the Texas heat.
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From: london
Sorry SuperF but you too are having a swipe that is not based on fact. The rear seats footwell do not go under the front seat or its crumple zone. You can crumple the front seat without and infringement of the rear seatwell.
As Radgirl says, same old same old. Nobody is claiming they are the best (except the seats are far more comfortable than a 206 !!!) but the silly comments just get repeated.
As Radgirl says, same old same old. Nobody is claiming they are the best (except the seats are far more comfortable than a 206 !!!) but the silly comments just get repeated.
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From: EGDC
omeone once told me a quote "those that know little, same the same thing often" I've used that in all sorts of situations.
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From: UK/OZ
There are headrests in cars to mitigate whiplash and also offer some protection for the front passengers from impacts from behind, such as the head of a unrestrained rear seat passengers
Not all impacts are solely vertical.
A forward component will induce whiplash where the rebound movement is not absorbed by a headrest (as it is in a motor vehicle)
I’m very aware of crash forces involved ect ect and have a few hundred hours in rear seat of R44 and a decent knowledge of engineering of aircraft frames.
Seems doable to design a head rest that can be integrated into existing seat or as a bolt in replacement.
Is that a “silly” idea ?
Mjb
Not all impacts are solely vertical.
A forward component will induce whiplash where the rebound movement is not absorbed by a headrest (as it is in a motor vehicle)
I’m very aware of crash forces involved ect ect and have a few hundred hours in rear seat of R44 and a decent knowledge of engineering of aircraft frames.
Seems doable to design a head rest that can be integrated into existing seat or as a bolt in replacement.
Is that a “silly” idea ?
Mjb
Last edited by mickjoebill; 19th January 2018 at 13:02.
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From: Pewsey, UK
Originally Posted by [email protected]
please tell me that isn't a metal bar positioned just below where a lumbar support should be in a real seat.
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From: New Zealand
Sorry SuperF but you too are having a swipe that is not based on fact. The rear seats footwell do not go under the front seat or its crumple zone. You can crumple the front seat without and infringement of the rear seatwell.
As Radgirl says, same old same old. Nobody is claiming they are the best (except the seats are far more comfortable than a 206 !!!) but the silly comments just get repeated.
As Radgirl says, same old same old. Nobody is claiming they are the best (except the seats are far more comfortable than a 206 !!!) but the silly comments just get repeated.
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From: GA, USA
Look like 1970's citroen 2 cv seats to me.
Mind when you buy the Lada of the skies you get Lada value.
Good riddance to another death trap of a helicopter.
One could argue that if the same happened again and they were in a properly thought out and designed helo - no-one would have been badly injured.
Mind when you buy the Lada of the skies you get Lada value.
Good riddance to another death trap of a helicopter.
One could argue that if the same happened again and they were in a properly thought out and designed helo - no-one would have been badly injured.
Seat height is very similar to those installed in Piper Cherokee 140’s....in the 1960’s.
You’d only hope they’d come up with something better by now.
But weight = money in aviation.
Especially helicopters.
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From: Mesopotamos
Methinks the injuries would be a result of not landing with both skids flat on that dune which didn't allow the skids to splay absorbing most of the energy. Rolling over upside down wouldn't help the spine either. Remember, Alice Springs area is +40C (if not near 50C with the current heatwave) this time of year.
Don't underestimate the ability of PHS engineers....
The good thing is there was no post crash fire which was once normal with hard landings on that type. Wishing those injured a speedy recovery.
No way they going to rebuild that wreck
The good thing is there was no post crash fire which was once normal with hard landings on that type. Wishing those injured a speedy recovery.
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From: On top of the Longline
36000 ferals have met their demise from marksmen & myself in an R44, great machines for the job. Great job for the first few years, but the more you do it the less you want to do it. I still want the ferals eradicated due to the damage they cause, I’m just glad it’s someone else doing it now.
