German Tiger down in Mali
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German Tiger down in Mali
A german Tiger crashed and burned in Mali, both pilots dead :-(
Eilmeldung: Zwei deutsche Soldaten in Mali ums Leben gekommen | tagesschau.de
Assumed technical defect - no further details, only eye witnesses (second helicopter in the area)
RIP
Eilmeldung: Zwei deutsche Soldaten in Mali ums Leben gekommen | tagesschau.de
Assumed technical defect - no further details, only eye witnesses (second helicopter in the area)
RIP
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According to Der Spiegel, the crew of a second Tiger following the crashed helicopter reported that they suddenly went into a steep dive and hit the ground at high speed, without any kind of radio communication or distress call. The crash occured after 70 kilometers of flight while en route to a mission area where fighting on the ground was reported about 150 kilometers from the base, which is why enemy action currently is considered unlikely.
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From: On the big blue planet
According to the latest news, the Tiger was in cruise flight ( 135kts 1800ft Gnd) when the nose dropped suddenly and the helicopter crashed 10 seconds later. During the dive the mainrotorblades detached. The crash was not survivable.
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
Has the Tiger got a movable horizontal stabiliser like the Apache?
A runaway on that would give sudden undemanded pitch down.
A runaway on that would give sudden undemanded pitch down.
No, it's fixed.
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From: EGDC
surely the horizontal stab could be overcome from flight controls? i.e. it wouldn't create an uncontrollable dive!!!
Thanks Skadi - maybe an AFCS or Hyd malfunction.
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German helicopter lost rotors before Mali crash - report | World | Reuters
BERLIN (Reuters) - A German military helicopter that crashed while flying a peacekeeping mission in Mali began to break up while in flight, losing its rotor, according to a defence ministry report seen by Reuters.
Two crew members were killed when one of Germany's four Tiger helicopters crashed in the West African nation's desert north last month. At the time, German officials said there were no signs it was downed by an attack.
An in-air break-up could point to maintenance or manufacturing issues having contributed to the crash, although the report said it was too early to speculate about the causes of the crash.
"According to information available so far, once the vehicle had started to descend, parts of the aircraft broke off, including the main rotor blades," the ministry report said, adding that the flight had proceeded normally until then.
The deployment of the Tiger helicopters to Mali earlier this year was controversial since the aircraft, made by Airbus, required extra maintenance given the high heat and other environmental conditions in the desert country but officials said at the time the four vehicles had been performing normally.
The report said the aircraft had been flying at 250 kilometres (155 miles) per hour at a height of 550 metres (1,800 feet) when it "suddenly sank its nose and entered a sharp dive." The helicopter crashed 10 seconds later and burst into flame.
Germany agreed to deploy the four Tiger and four NH-90 transport helicopters to Mali earlier this year after the Dutch military said it could not continue the work.
But Germany's increased support was heavily debated in parliament, and required a waiver from the German military allowing the helicopters to operate in higher temperatures.
German armed forces operate a fleet of 27 of the helicopters.
Reporting by Sabine Siebold; Writing by Thomas Escritt; Editing by Sandra Maler
Two crew members were killed when one of Germany's four Tiger helicopters crashed in the West African nation's desert north last month. At the time, German officials said there were no signs it was downed by an attack.
An in-air break-up could point to maintenance or manufacturing issues having contributed to the crash, although the report said it was too early to speculate about the causes of the crash.
"According to information available so far, once the vehicle had started to descend, parts of the aircraft broke off, including the main rotor blades," the ministry report said, adding that the flight had proceeded normally until then.
The deployment of the Tiger helicopters to Mali earlier this year was controversial since the aircraft, made by Airbus, required extra maintenance given the high heat and other environmental conditions in the desert country but officials said at the time the four vehicles had been performing normally.
The report said the aircraft had been flying at 250 kilometres (155 miles) per hour at a height of 550 metres (1,800 feet) when it "suddenly sank its nose and entered a sharp dive." The helicopter crashed 10 seconds later and burst into flame.
Germany agreed to deploy the four Tiger and four NH-90 transport helicopters to Mali earlier this year after the Dutch military said it could not continue the work.
But Germany's increased support was heavily debated in parliament, and required a waiver from the German military allowing the helicopters to operate in higher temperatures.
German armed forces operate a fleet of 27 of the helicopters.
Reporting by Sabine Siebold; Writing by Thomas Escritt; Editing by Sandra Maler
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From: Durham, NC USA
The stabilator on the Blackhawk
Originally Posted by [email protected]
it happened in the Blackhawk ISTR.
Thanks Skadi - maybe an AFCS or Hyd malfunction.
Thanks Skadi - maybe an AFCS or Hyd malfunction.
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From: Den Haag
Anger? Where do you see that? It was a statement of fact that I'm aware of at least three failures, two of which provided a very interesting initial 'ride' for their crews until brought under control - with altitude to do so - and one that was fatal (http://www.mot.gov.my/SiteCollection...B%20latest.pdf)