AW139 Sim Instructor Seating Positions
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AW139 Sim Instructor Seating Positions
Of all the increasing number of 139 FFS operating, would appreciate a quick survey of which sim has what number of Instructor Operating Station seats - or at least the ability to cater for those watching over the shoulder.
Makes sense to have to be strapped in for FFS and trying to develop a training/examining plot for 'checkers' checking 'checkers' training pilots.....
thanks in advance
Makes sense to have to be strapped in for FFS and trying to develop a training/examining plot for 'checkers' checking 'checkers' training pilots.....
thanks in advance
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This is an interesting question.
Whilst the European FSTD standard is "two suitable seats for the instructor and an additional observer shall be provided permitting adequate vision to the crew members' panel and forward windows” , the Compliance has a get out, namely “The competent authority shall consider options to this standard based on unique cockpit configurations” so dependent upon which authority initially qualified the device and even which auditor could indeed result in differing configs.
Whilst the European FSTD standard is "two suitable seats for the instructor and an additional observer shall be provided permitting adequate vision to the crew members' panel and forward windows” , the Compliance has a get out, namely “The competent authority shall consider options to this standard based on unique cockpit configurations” so dependent upon which authority initially qualified the device and even which auditor could indeed result in differing configs.
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Yes the 3000 series machines have space for 3 in the back, although I would not agree that they all "permit adequate vision to the crew members panel and forward windows"! Extra seat useful for translators maybe.
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Concur absolutely. It is impossible to see the pilot flying's hands from the IOS seat if you are strapped in. It is necessary to ensure that the pilot is using the various trim functions correctly.
Observing the flying pilot's facial expression I also consider an essential part of managing the workload effectively. Whoever designed the 3000 series I bet he was a fixed wing man. He certainly never worked as an SFI/SFE. As for certification protocols - that's joke number two.
G.
Observing the flying pilot's facial expression I also consider an essential part of managing the workload effectively. Whoever designed the 3000 series I bet he was a fixed wing man. He certainly never worked as an SFI/SFE. As for certification protocols - that's joke number two.
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It's usually self evident when the trim functions aren't been used correctly. Especially the force trim release which should be electrified so they get zapped every time they try to use it!
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From: On the green bit near the blue wobbly stuff
There is definitely a conflict between health & safety, and doing the job effectively. The holes in the knees on my overalls are testament to how much time I am strapped in the iOS seat!
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