S-76C++ Down in Latur India
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Nothing dynamic or purposeful with that takeoff. Looked like it was starting to yaw right as it settled on the wires, so maybe low rpm. Didn't look like much wind from the blowing dust.
My experience with India is that they equated calendar age of a helicopter with airworthiness, so maintenance or spec engines could also be a factor.
Maybe they "manhattan'd" it and stopped drooping just short of blowaway power. Training and SOP - I've seen even large western operators mislead their pilots on the concept.
With 4-6 little fellas as pax it shouldn't have been heavy, not like they loaded 12 rigpigs.
My experience with India is that they equated calendar age of a helicopter with airworthiness, so maintenance or spec engines could also be a factor.
Maybe they "manhattan'd" it and stopped drooping just short of blowaway power. Training and SOP - I've seen even large western operators mislead their pilots on the concept.
With 4-6 little fellas as pax it shouldn't have been heavy, not like they loaded 12 rigpigs.
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The temperature at Latur is hitting 41 degrees C during the day. It may have been a bit hot for a heavy 76
Maybe they "manhattan'd" it and stopped drooping just short of blowaway power.
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Unreal. You take off....check...you can see stuff ahead....and there are pylons... and boom..
Photo of the aircraft from the front shows the departure field and nothing behind. Surely someone in the crew may have suggested, even a possible downwind take off to avoid flying towards the PYLONS!
Glad nothing more than pride and tax payers money was hurt.
Photo of the aircraft from the front shows the departure field and nothing behind. Surely someone in the crew may have suggested, even a possible downwind take off to avoid flying towards the PYLONS!
Glad nothing more than pride and tax payers money was hurt.
Fixed wing pilot here - can only find limited references to this on web - is blowaway power something peculiar to the S-76++?
I assume it's effectively being able to demand over 100 per cent power from both engines to get you out of a tricky situation?
Does the pilot have to manually select it - or does the FADEC automatically feed it in as collective changes are made - and generates some sort of warning that you are temporarily exceeding power limits?
I assume it's effectively being able to demand over 100 per cent power from both engines to get you out of a tricky situation?
Does the pilot have to manually select it - or does the FADEC automatically feed it in as collective changes are made - and generates some sort of warning that you are temporarily exceeding power limits?
Fixed wing pilot here - can only find limited references to this on web - is blowaway power something peculiar to the S-76++?
I assume it's effectively being able to demand over 100 per cent power from both engines to get you out of a tricky situation?
Does the pilot have to manually select it - or does the FADEC automatically feed it in as collective changes are made - and generates some sort of warning that you are temporarily exceeding power limits?
I assume it's effectively being able to demand over 100 per cent power from both engines to get you out of a tricky situation?
Does the pilot have to manually select it - or does the FADEC automatically feed it in as collective changes are made - and generates some sort of warning that you are temporarily exceeding power limits?
Pre Departure Checks
Incredibubble - before any launch on would assume the PIC asks a few basic questions of thy self including but not limited to these couple; how much power margin do I need to escape from here & after pick-up, what margin do I actually have....is this departure doable???? 
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If you keep pulling on the collective increasing blade pitch, the rotor will droop when aerodynamic demand has exceeded power available from the engines. To limit rotor droop and subsequent rotor effectiveness, both engines will auto arm to 2 minute power automatically with the rotor RPM decay. The increase in temporary blowaway power from the engines, may save you from your impending situation. 2 minute power in the 76 does not exceed the maximum design limit transmission torque. Utilizing 2 minute power will accumulate towards engine maintenance schedules. I believe 10 minutes of 2 minute power can be accrued before an engine tear down is required. All S76 models have blowaway power available. 2 minute power does not end at 2 minutes. You can pull for as long as the engine will hold up as you're operating outside of the certificated design limitations.
Just looking at the pull to high hover and no droop in rotor, I know a hundred pilots that could have walzed that aircraft outta there. But it would take skill and some finesse, and understanding of the FADEC. A couple seconds at blowaway are nothing when you can accumulate 10 minutes in the life of the engine, though unlikely you'd even get to blowaway if you used that droop to accelerate instead of trying for an HOGE that isn't going to happen.
In our PC1 world we forget what aircraft can do PC3. The takeoff limitations in the RFM are based on 150fpm OEI, that's all. We'd wrestle overloaded 76A models in Africa, Iran, SE Asia, Australia where all we would get was a couple feet hover and could only dream of how high this guy was holding it up. The C++ is pretty good at high temps, and the FADEC is biased to account for it. Anyway, you can always substitute skill and finesse with regulation and make everyone buy 139's and operate them at less than 6000kg.
In our PC1 world we forget what aircraft can do PC3. The takeoff limitations in the RFM are based on 150fpm OEI, that's all. We'd wrestle overloaded 76A models in Africa, Iran, SE Asia, Australia where all we would get was a couple feet hover and could only dream of how high this guy was holding it up. The C++ is pretty good at high temps, and the FADEC is biased to account for it. Anyway, you can always substitute skill and finesse with regulation and make everyone buy 139's and operate them at less than 6000kg.
All S76 models have blowaway power available
2 minute power in the 76 does not exceed the maximum design limit transmission torque. Utilizing 2 minute power will accumulate towards engine maintenance schedules. I believe 10 minutes of 2 minute power can be accrued before an engine tear down is required.
Thanks for making me get the books out 212, I needed a brush up. I was told all models have Blowaway, luckily never flown an A so the jury's out on that one. You get 10 seconds transient at 230 trans torque. DECU limits blowaway power to 115 tq per side.
No juries required! Blowaway requires a FADEC so discount an Allison, an Ariel 1 variant and probably the B model too.
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