Question about EASA type ratings
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Question about EASA type ratings
I'm just checking that I understand the EASA regulations correctly.
If I hold a multi-engine type rating but have never held a single-engine type rating, my first single-engine type rating would be 5 hours plus test (initial issue, SET(H) under 3175 kg MTOM).
Which means that moving from AS355 to AS350 is 5 hours plus test, whereas moving from AS355 to A109 is only 3 hours plus test (additional type, MET(H) to MET(H)).
It seems strange, so I just wanted to check I was reading the regs correctly
If I hold a multi-engine type rating but have never held a single-engine type rating, my first single-engine type rating would be 5 hours plus test (initial issue, SET(H) under 3175 kg MTOM).
Which means that moving from AS355 to AS350 is 5 hours plus test, whereas moving from AS355 to A109 is only 3 hours plus test (additional type, MET(H) to MET(H)).
It seems strange, so I just wanted to check I was reading the regs correctly
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Correct-its 3 hours MET Single Pilot to MET Single Pilot...
Its 5 hours for Multi Pilot to Multi Pilot...plus 2 hours for an IR.
And the single engine one:
They assume you will spend some time for autorotation (not required on multi engines)...
Its 5 hours for Multi Pilot to Multi Pilot...plus 2 hours for an IR.
And the single engine one:
They assume you will spend some time for autorotation (not required on multi engines)...
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Another question on easa type ratings
I have an Easa license with as350 type rating expired in January 2015,
I'm flying in a different part of the world but still on an icao license but on different helicopters (bell 206 and as355).
The question is what do I have to do to renew my as350 on the easa license ?
Thanks for the input
I'm flying in a different part of the world but still on an icao license but on different helicopters (bell 206 and as355).
The question is what do I have to do to renew my as350 on the easa license ?
Thanks for the input
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Haihio, if the UK would suit you I suggest you make contact at [email protected]
I'm sure they'd be delighted to renew your type-rating and they have a B3+ and TRE available 24/7.
I'm sure they'd be delighted to renew your type-rating and they have a B3+ and TRE available 24/7.
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Unfortunately you are wrong.
See AMC1 FCL.740(b)(1) Validity and renewal of class and type ratings 3)b)iv.
(iv) expiry longer than 3 years: the applicant should again undergo the training
required for the initial issue of the rating or, in case of helicopter, the training
required for the ‘additional type issue’, according to other valid ratings held.
See AMC1 FCL.740(b)(1) Validity and renewal of class and type ratings 3)b)iv.
(iv) expiry longer than 3 years: the applicant should again undergo the training
required for the initial issue of the rating or, in case of helicopter, the training
required for the ‘additional type issue’, according to other valid ratings held.
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My bad..i saw "Alternative Means..", but actually read "AMC" instead of "AltMOC".
You are referring to the derogation the UK CAA issued....this is correct-it is in the hands of the ATOs..but they have made it clear that the minimums as stated in Part FCL should be a reference when determining the required training.....
You are referring to the derogation the UK CAA issued....this is correct-it is in the hands of the ATOs..but they have made it clear that the minimums as stated in Part FCL should be a reference when determining the required training.....
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This is what the UK CAA says:
Class and Type Ratings
Where a class or type rating has expired, and the applicant is seeking to renew the rating,
FCL.740 states that the applicant shall take refresher training at an ATO, when necessary to
reach the level of proficiency to operate the relevant class or type of aircraft safely; and pass a
proficiency check. This does not imply that refresher training is always required when a class
or type rating has expired. The amount and nature of the refresher training depends upon a
number of factors including the applicant’s experience, the complexity of the aircraft and the
time elapsed since the rating expired. For example, an experienced and competent pilot who
has been in fairly regular flying practice but due to an oversight failed to revalidate the rating
within its validity period, should be capable of undertaking a proficiency check to renew the
rating without requiring refresher training. Alternatively, an inexperienced pilot who has not
operated the type or variant for several months or more should expect to undertake a number
of training sessions. If the type or variant is particularly complex or presents some challenging
handling characteristics, or has not been operated for three years or more, the refresher
training might reflect the training provided for initial issue of the rating. Further guidance is in
AMC 1 FCL.740(b)(1) and reproduced in this document at Appendix 4.
Not so sure whats unclear here?
Enlighten us-happy to learn something new...
Class and Type Ratings
Where a class or type rating has expired, and the applicant is seeking to renew the rating,
FCL.740 states that the applicant shall take refresher training at an ATO, when necessary to
reach the level of proficiency to operate the relevant class or type of aircraft safely; and pass a
proficiency check. This does not imply that refresher training is always required when a class
or type rating has expired. The amount and nature of the refresher training depends upon a
number of factors including the applicant’s experience, the complexity of the aircraft and the
time elapsed since the rating expired. For example, an experienced and competent pilot who
has been in fairly regular flying practice but due to an oversight failed to revalidate the rating
within its validity period, should be capable of undertaking a proficiency check to renew the
rating without requiring refresher training. Alternatively, an inexperienced pilot who has not
operated the type or variant for several months or more should expect to undertake a number
of training sessions. If the type or variant is particularly complex or presents some challenging
handling characteristics, or has not been operated for three years or more, the refresher
training might reflect the training provided for initial issue of the rating. Further guidance is in
AMC 1 FCL.740(b)(1) and reproduced in this document at Appendix 4.
Not so sure whats unclear here?
Enlighten us-happy to learn something new...
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Hueyracer - AMC FCL.740 actually says:
"The amount of refresher training needed should be determined on a case-by-case basis by the ATO".
The elapsed timescales quoted are for consideration only i.e. they are not mandatory, and:
"Once the ATO has determined the needs of the applicant, it should develop an individual training programme that should be based on the initial training for the issue of the rating and focus on the aspects where the applicant has shown the greatest needs".
"The amount of refresher training needed should be determined on a case-by-case basis by the ATO".
The elapsed timescales quoted are for consideration only i.e. they are not mandatory, and:
"Once the ATO has determined the needs of the applicant, it should develop an individual training programme that should be based on the initial training for the issue of the rating and focus on the aspects where the applicant has shown the greatest needs".
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