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Work in China?
Hi all
Does anybody know if there is any work in China, and how to contact them?
I understand that there is an altitude restriction of a 1000 meters at the moment, and due to this commercial aviation is fairly restricted.
I already applied with Heli China, they are just waiting for the restriction to be lifted (pun...)
Any info is appreciated,
Thilo
Does anybody know if there is any work in China, and how to contact them?
I understand that there is an altitude restriction of a 1000 meters at the moment, and due to this commercial aviation is fairly restricted.
I already applied with Heli China, they are just waiting for the restriction to be lifted (pun...)
Any info is appreciated,
Thilo
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Originally Posted by Thilo
Hi all
Does anybody know if there is any work in China, and how to contact them?
I understand that there is an altitude restriction of a 1000 meters at the moment, and due to this commercial aviation is fairly restricted.
I already applied with Heli China, they are just waiting for the restriction to be lifted (pun...)
Any info is appreciated,
Thilo
Does anybody know if there is any work in China, and how to contact them?
I understand that there is an altitude restriction of a 1000 meters at the moment, and due to this commercial aviation is fairly restricted.
I already applied with Heli China, they are just waiting for the restriction to be lifted (pun...)
Any info is appreciated,
Thilo
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No reason for that as it is a New Zealand company. The CAAC will honour most country's licences; in fact their English ATPL exam had been created by an Australian company.
As far as I am aware you are wasting your time with a CPL. You must have a Chinese national licence within six months of flying in China. They do not do an English version of the Chinese CPL exams so unless you are fluent in Chinese reading and writing you are wasting your time.
Also you have to be sponsored by a Chinese company so any helicopter company operating in China has to have a partnership with a Chinese company. It may be a sleeping partnership but nothing moves without their sayso.
Attitude, attitude, attitude is the only way to work in China. It is their country and they are proud of it so you have to go along with them. Experience teaches you the way to ease them out of bad habits but if you try and ram anything down their throats you are looking at an early exit.
Best of luck.
As far as I am aware you are wasting your time with a CPL. You must have a Chinese national licence within six months of flying in China. They do not do an English version of the Chinese CPL exams so unless you are fluent in Chinese reading and writing you are wasting your time.
Also you have to be sponsored by a Chinese company so any helicopter company operating in China has to have a partnership with a Chinese company. It may be a sleeping partnership but nothing moves without their sayso.
Attitude, attitude, attitude is the only way to work in China. It is their country and they are proud of it so you have to go along with them. Experience teaches you the way to ease them out of bad habits but if you try and ram anything down their throats you are looking at an early exit.
Best of luck.
Whilst I have no direct inside knowledge of that HEMS job in China, I'd be staggered if the crewing didn't involve a recently minted company sponsored Chinese pilot, and they want a foreign guy with a bit of operational experience to make up a crew. Guessing also that said recently minted Chinese pilot probably did his pilot training in a native English speaking country, so he's probably competent enough at English to crew with a non-Chinese speaking pilot. Whilst said Chinese pilot probably has next to zero operational experience, he's probably OK as a pilot commensurate with his experience, and he's probably dedicated to his job and willing to learn. But you really need to seriously contemplate if you want to expose yourself to that environment, flying HEMS in often very limited visibility, amongst all those power lines that are as tall as skyscrapers.
If however it is a single pilot operation, and you don't speak Chinese, forget it. Doesn't matter how experienced a HEMS pilot you are, if you can't speak Chinese you are operationally useless.
Oh, and about that earlier post about taking 2 years to get a China work permit. Not so. My visa to travel to China took 4 days to process once the application was submitted to the local China Consulate. And after I arrived in China on that visa, my China work permit took about 10 days to process. If they want you the necessary paperwork can happen very quickly.
If however it is a single pilot operation, and you don't speak Chinese, forget it. Doesn't matter how experienced a HEMS pilot you are, if you can't speak Chinese you are operationally useless.
Oh, and about that earlier post about taking 2 years to get a China work permit. Not so. My visa to travel to China took 4 days to process once the application was submitted to the local China Consulate. And after I arrived in China on that visa, my China work permit took about 10 days to process. If they want you the necessary paperwork can happen very quickly.
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If you haven't read them here is a couple of posts I put in a couple of years ago.
http://www.pprune.org/military-aviat...ww-ii-211.html
Gives you as idea of what you're up against.
http://www.pprune.org/military-aviat...ww-ii-211.html
Gives you as idea of what you're up against.
In China, and NZ for that matter, a salary of 60-80K is a fortune. In the current employment market I bet it's a very attractive number to many unemployed helicopter pilots.
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Thanks for the replies. I have been looking at the China market for a few years, and I am looking at it long term. But you need to break in first...
It's a huge country with very few civilian aircraft. I believe that when the restrictions are dropped, that there will be a boom in that market.
Don't forget that their economy is still growing at 6%, whereas the west is flat-lined...
Think about the "New Silk Road", that can not be developed and build without a fleet of helicopters of all sizes.
It's a huge country with very few civilian aircraft. I believe that when the restrictions are dropped, that there will be a boom in that market.
Don't forget that their economy is still growing at 6%, whereas the west is flat-lined...
Think about the "New Silk Road", that can not be developed and build without a fleet of helicopters of all sizes.
For anybody looking at the China market for the long term, my suggestion is spend a couple of years learning the language first. And that doesn't mean a bit of Cantonese that you might sling around at the local Yum Cha restaurant. It means Mandarin.
It will be years before those restrictions mentioned are dropped. If at all.
And for anybody intent on marrying a China gal to get residency in China, good luck. China gals tend to marry foreign guys so they can get out of China.
It will be years before those restrictions mentioned are dropped. If at all.
And for anybody intent on marrying a China gal to get residency in China, good luck. China gals tend to marry foreign guys so they can get out of China.
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Originally Posted by gulliBell
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Yep. Me. I don't really have much more to add than what I said above.
Yep. Me. I don't really have much more to add than what I said above.
Thanks for your replies. I have been trying to learn Mandarin from books, CDs and online, but it doesn't help much. I live on my sail boat, and considering dropping my anchor on the Chinese coast somewhere and communicate with the locals and learn the language that way.
But the question remains of how to get a job in China?
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I live on my sail boat, and considering dropping my anchor on the Chinese coast somewhere and communicate with the locals and learn the language that way.
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Far more practical just to dial your internet radio into a Chinese language radio station if you're that keen to learn Mandarin.
To be clear, I'm not aware of any helicopter pilot flying jobs in China for non-Chinese speaking foreign helicopter pilots. I'd be very surprised if that situation were to change any time soon. But I have been wrong on occasion before, so tune in your internet radio and start listening.
Finally, I suggest not parking your sail boat within canon range of the China coast, for the reason Fareastdriver alluded to at #18.
Far more practical just to dial your internet radio into a Chinese language radio station if you're that keen to learn Mandarin.
To be clear, I'm not aware of any helicopter pilot flying jobs in China for non-Chinese speaking foreign helicopter pilots. I'd be very surprised if that situation were to change any time soon. But I have been wrong on occasion before, so tune in your internet radio and start listening.
Finally, I suggest not parking your sail boat within canon range of the China coast, for the reason Fareastdriver alluded to at #18.
