Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Rotorheads
Reload this Page >

EC225 crash near Bergen, Norway April 2016

Rotorheads A haven for helicopter professionals to discuss the things that affect them

EC225 crash near Bergen, Norway April 2016

Reply

Old 16th Jun 2018, 13:15
  #1821 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: NW
Posts: 74
It could well be the parties that called the finding before actually finding anything having hard time to back track their claim?
Mee3 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 16th Jun 2018, 18:11
  #1822 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Birmingham
Posts: 244
Originally Posted by SASless View Post
The PR issue notwithstanding....will the Final Report actually determine the cause for the failure of the component(s) that led to the fatal crash?

That is the real issue....with the PR thing merely being collateral damage AH brought upon itself.
You have hit the nail squarely on the head.

Parties who contributed to the report should be careful to limit any objections to matters that can substantiated by hard facts.
birmingham is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 25th Jun 2018, 11:35
  #1823 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: 60 north
Age: 54
Posts: 594
Report finished!

Good Morning.
The Norwegian NTSB has finished the report and it will be published Friday 6 July.
I expect there to be a press conference, and hopefully some in English.
Regards Cpt B
BluSdUp is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 25th Jun 2018, 11:52
  #1824 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: KoN
Age: 63
Posts: 85
What the AIBN has announced is that there will be a press conference on Thursday the 5th of July at 1330 Norwegian time, in Bergen.
The final report will be made available on the AIBN website then, in English, and a condenced version in Norwegian.
GenuineHoverBug is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 26th Jun 2018, 10:39
  #1825 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Birmingham
Posts: 244
Originally Posted by GenuineHoverBug View Post
What the AIBN has announced is that there will be a press conference on Thursday the 5th of July at 1330 Norwegian time, in Bergen.
The final report will be made available on the AIBN website then, in English, and a condenced version in Norwegian.
This will be very interesting - what an incredibly difficult investigation. Hopefully they had enough evidence to get to the bottom of what caused this. That is in everyone's benefit.
birmingham is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 26th Jun 2018, 13:52
  #1826 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: oil west
Posts: 2
It is Brimingham. But this PPRuNe. Where no one is ever satisfied. Watch what follows....
JMACDAS is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 27th Jun 2018, 19:40
  #1827 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: 60 north
Age: 54
Posts: 594
I would like to ask a rather strange question, if you all do not mind!
In the Helicopter world in general and Offshore , in particular: Do You think the Norwegian AIBN have the resources, technical expertise , operational expertise and the independence from politics and manufacturers to cover this case!
I think they do, but we may have this sorted before the report.
Keeping in mind there is two sides at 180 degree opposite view. Unions in the north-sea hates it , Airbus loves it.
Regards
Cpt B
BluSdUp is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 28th Jun 2018, 14:39
  #1828 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Birmingham
Posts: 244
Originally Posted by BluSdUp View Post
I would like to ask a rather strange question, if you all do not mind!
In the Helicopter world in general and Offshore , in particular: Do You think the Norwegian AIBN have the resources, technical expertise , operational expertise and the independence from politics and manufacturers to cover this case!
I think they do, but we may have this sorted before the report.
Keeping in mind there is two sides at 180 degree opposite view. Unions in the north-sea hates it , Airbus loves it.
Regards
Cpt B
The fact that the unions don't like it is not a problem for the AIBN. That and the flat market for offshore heavies is all part of the realpoletik of the business.
The AIBN do have the resources, and they can call upon other agencies/laboratories when needed. I do however think AH's response to this and some of their public statements have been quite extraordinary. Who is right and who is wrong can only be determined by an evidence based, impartial report which hopefully we will see soon. My bigger worry is whether AIBN have been able to get to the bottom of this and establish definitive cause ie why not what happened. No matter how good the agency, in the real world, this is not always possible.
birmingham is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 28th Jun 2018, 16:32
  #1829 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: "Deplorable but happy as a drunken Monkey!
Age: 70
Posts: 15,274
Worse Case Scenario.....the actual root cause of the failure(s) cannot be determined with specificity.....then what?

Do we not have approval from several Authorities for the 225 to continue in service?

How does that work....a known fatal problem and no known determination of cause...yet an Authority approves the aircraft to be flown?
SASless is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 28th Jun 2018, 22:35
  #1830 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: 60 north
Age: 54
Posts: 594
SASless and Birmingham
Thanks
The main thing is we do not want to see another helicopter fall utterly helpless like that!
We have all lost great pilots, but most of them at least could fight for survival on the way down,,,,,.

Lets hope we have something concrete from the report.
Regards
Cpt B
BluSdUp is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 29th Jun 2018, 00:45
  #1831 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: NW
Posts: 74
love how sas can pretend to impartial and then take a cheeky slap at EC.
Mee3 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 29th Jun 2018, 03:29
  #1832 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: "Deplorable but happy as a drunken Monkey!
Age: 70
Posts: 15,274
Catch up Old Man....it is AH now.

The question posed is straight forward and if you care to check it....the slam would be on the Authorities that would allow the aircraft to be put back in service AFTER no cause was determined. (One must read the post carefully as it dealt with a hypothetical situation.)

I believe the gentlemen doth protest too much.
SASless is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 29th Jun 2018, 05:25
  #1833 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: After all, what’s more important than proving to someone on the internet that they’re wrong? - Manson
Posts: 1,445
BSU,

I would like to ask a rather strange question, if you all do not mind!
In the Helicopter world in general and Offshore , in particular: Do You think the Norwegian AIBN have the resources, technical expertise , operational expertise and the independence from politics and manufacturers to cover this case!
I think they do, but we may have this sorted before the report.
Keeping in mind there is two sides at 180 degree opposite view. Unions in the north-sea hates it , Airbus loves it.
Regards
Cpt B
Accident Investigation from the State of Manufacture will be heavily involved and in this case the French BEA - Bureau d'Enquêtes et d'Analyses pour la Sécurité de l'Aviation Civile
RVDT is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 29th Jun 2018, 15:04
  #1834 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Birmingham
Posts: 244
Originally Posted by SASless View Post
Catch up Old Man....it is AH now.

The question posed is straight forward and if you care to check it....the slam would be on the Authorities that would allow the aircraft to be put back in service AFTER no cause was determined. (One must read the post carefully as it dealt with a hypothetical situation.)

I believe the gentlemen doth protest too much.
Well that has already happened hasn't it? The A/C was cleared well before the final report but the AIBN and AAIB held back permission to resume flying for some time after it was granted by the Europeans/Americans etc.. The A/C remains approved with operational restrictions.

There have been a number of troubling dissenting statements; from the initial "suspension bar" theory, through to apparent comments that have been reported to have been added to the, as yet unpublished, final report. If we still don't have a cause and we still don't have a consensus we don't really have a long term solution do we? To move this forward requires the publication and review of the AIBN's final report which we are told will be with us next week.

From the outside looking in it certainly seems to have been a very difficult exercise logistically, scientifically, emotionally and politically.
birmingham is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 29th Jun 2018, 18:08
  #1835 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Nigeria
Age: 52
Posts: 4,272
The AIBN and AAIB don’t give ‘permission’ for anything - it’s the national aviation authorities and EASA that do that.
212man is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 29th Jun 2018, 18:17
  #1836 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: "Deplorable but happy as a drunken Monkey!
Age: 70
Posts: 15,274
The question still stands...if no definitive cause identified....thus allowing for a reliable method to prevent yet another catastrophic failure of the Rotor System as seen in the Norway crash....should the Authorities withdraw their approval of the aircraft to be flown?

It does not matter the Make, Model, Type, or Mark .... airplane or helicopter.....where should the line be drawn to ensure safety in these situations?

Should it be a mad game of Russian Roulette where you pays your money and takes your chances or should the Bar be set a bit higher than that?
SASless is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 4th Jul 2018, 14:36
  #1837 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Birmingham
Posts: 244
The press conference and report are out tomorrow. Hopefully some definitive news ...
birmingham is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 4th Jul 2018, 14:39
  #1838 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Birmingham
Posts: 244
Report is published 1330 Norway time tomorrow. Hopefully it will be able to shed some much needed light on the cause.
link to AIBN
birmingham is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 4th Jul 2018, 14:39
  #1839 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Birmingham
Posts: 244
Report out tomorrow

https://www.aibn.no/About-us/News-ar...rt-5-July-2018
birmingham is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 5th Jul 2018, 12:32
  #1840 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: KoN
Age: 63
Posts: 85
The final report has been published.

12 Safety recommendations: 9 to EASA, 1 to The Commission, 1 to ICAO and 1 to Airbus.

An Appendix I from Airbus Helicopters is included:
"... Airbus Helicopters agrees with the overall analysis and conclusions set out in the Report in relation to the root cause of the accident as well as the AIBN's proposed Safety Recommendations. The comments presented below focus on certain aspects of the Report which, in the interests of aviation safety, Airbus Helicopters consider important to be noted."

Last edited by GenuineHoverBug; 5th Jul 2018 at 13:43.
GenuineHoverBug is offline  
Reply With Quote

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service