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Old 21st Jan 2016, 14:45
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Phonetics for we 'oldies'

Just today, my attention was drawn to the Facebook site and a new 'modern & 'hippy' phonetic alphabet ... it got me to wondering how many ppruners could still use the original pre 1955 code. My memory cells ain't what they used to be, so I'd ask other COFs to fill in the blanks and correct any errors.

Who remembers? ABLE BAKER CHARLIE DOG EASY FREDDIE? GEORGE HOW ITEM JIG KING LONDON MIKE NAN OBOE POPSIE QUEENIE ROGER SUGAR TAN UNCLE VICTOR W EVADES ME. XRAY YOKE ZEBRA.

As a Royal Air Force sprog pilot, how well I remember my war-bitten Flight Sargent instructor's standard pre-flight brief at 10 FTS Pershore ... "Start up Sugar" ... for the twin Cheetah engine Airspeed Oxford. And later as a Combat Star Canberra B2 bomber crew, we got a bit good at GeeH bombing using Ken Wallis' 25 pound practice bomb ... as we quite often achieved a 'Dog How' at Wainfleet, Otmoor, Chesil Beach and Luce Bay. Nordhorn oversea I recall.

And how about the RAF's infamous 'Q' Code when we would acknowledge altimeter area settings as the 'Queen Nan How!'

Oh happy daze. Dennis Kenyon.
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Old 21st Jan 2016, 14:54
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. And how about the RAF's infamous 'Q' Code
I always thought the Q code was German.
Now you are saying it was RAF's..?
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Old 21st Jan 2016, 15:03
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The Q codes were used by telegraphists before radio was even invented as shorthand to speed up the passing of messages.
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Old 21st Jan 2016, 15:06
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U.S. Army Air Corps used:

ABLE BAKER CHARLIE DOG EASY FOX GEORGE HOW ITEM JIG KING LOVED MIKE NAN OBOE PETER QUEEN ROGER SUGAR TARE UNCLE VICTOR WILLIAM XRAY YOKE ZEBRA.

In use until 1956 when replaced with the ICAO alphabet.
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Old 21st Jan 2016, 15:59
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For the Q-Codes (invented by the ITU at those times of radiotelegraphy), take a look at

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_code

Honestly: Except QNH (and sometimes QFE), I haven´t used any of them. Not even QDM...

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Old 21st Jan 2016, 17:49
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Thanks Dennis.

I thought I was old until I opened this thread!
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Old 21st Jan 2016, 19:03
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Courtesy of my Dad (RAF 1941-1966):

A for 'orses
B for mutton
C for 'thHighlanders
D for ential
E for brick at 'im
F for vescent
G for police
H for consent
I for Novello
J for oranges
K for restaurant
L for Leather
M for Sis
N for mation
O for the Wings of a Dove
P for relief
Q for a bus
R for Askey
S for Williams (or Rantzen, these days, I suppose)
T for 2
U for me
V for La France
W for a quid
X for breakfast
Y for girlfriend
Z for wind

...and in my previous pre-aviation military 'career', I needed to be familiar with both the 'Q' and 'Z' codes, both of which were widely used by not-so-friendly people in whose radio traffic we were interested. Fortunately never had to call 'QRM 5' - I am being heavily manually interfered with.
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Old 21st Jan 2016, 19:25
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Okay ... let's see if we can dredge up some other Qs. QFE/QNH has stayed with us. QSY has been banned. I know there are dozens but the brain cells are popping up with QTEs & QDMs, Who knows about the RAF QGH approach. Forgotten QNE and the other fifty or so. I'm sure we can Google them all. No counting QHI or QPR!

As the years whizz by ... my mind turns back to an oddity of the 1950s. Who remembers the luscious Diana Dors? Squadron pilots were encouraged to study the service AP 129 flying bible ... about the size of a London telephone directory. At my Canberra base in Wittering (that would have been 1956 ish) her Majesty's Stationery Office produced a seaside style poster to display on the Squadron OPS board. The buxom Diana lady was pictured in the nude clutching the said AP129 to her ample bosom. The catch line ran ... AP129 covers everything. Sorry for the 'tittle-tattle' lads ... its been one hell of a bad wx day! Take care all from the Chief COF. Dennis Kenyon.
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Old 21st Jan 2016, 19:34
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AP 129 was replaced by AP 3456. Gone were the illustrations of a single bladed propeller.
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Old 21st Jan 2016, 20:35
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Originally Posted by Dennis Kenyon View Post

As the years whizz by ... my mind turns back to an oddity of the 1950s. Who remembers the luscious Diana Dors?
As a callow youth it was quite titillating to see the crowd turn out for her to open the local tyre fitting shop in Chingford

As for QDM, we don't even use QFE in the colonies
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Old 21st Jan 2016, 21:54
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and don't forget the Q Bikes

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I seem to remember Z and Q codes for morse ZUJ for standby I seem to remember?
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Ah, AP129 - where the new fangled rotary winged thing was referred to as a hicopleter.......
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Old 22nd Jan 2016, 11:12
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I regularly get a bite from a venerable air-trafficer at home base by asking for the Queenie Nan How.

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Old 22nd Jan 2016, 13:05
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I had an old ex army radio as a kid with a phonetic alphabet in its handbook starting 'Ac, Beer, Charlie, Don'. The only other bit I remember was 'Monkey, Nuts, Orange, Pip.'
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and don't forget the Q Bikes
My, that brings back memories.
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Who remembers the luscious Diana Dors?
... A story, probably apocryphal - you may recall that the lady in question was a former resident of Swindon. Having become famous, she was invited back to her home town as a celebrity at a mayoral function. Prior to becoming famous, her proper name was Diana Fluck. The Mayor was tasked with a welcoming speech and wished to refer to her beginnings in the town. He realised the Freudian potential of her name and spent hours (apparently) practising his welcome speech. Came the great day and he (supposedly) launched into the opening words as " We wish to welcome back to our midst that celebrated Swindon resident Miss Diana ........ Clunt!"
Back to topic - what about Ack Emma (AM), Pip Emma (PM), Toc H (Talbot House) etc. ? Now that really IS going back a bit!!
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Old 26th Jan 2016, 20:34
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"QFE/QNH has stayed with us. QSY has been banned."

At this QTH, I often hear stations being asked to QSY, even do it myself sometimes.
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Old 26th Jan 2016, 21:06
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Ah ... that's because we COFs refuse to give up that easily. I got a telling off not too long ago for making a call to LHR advising I was a delayed IA flight out of Rangoon wanting a steer (QTE) for Heston. No SOH these young ATC-ers! Dennis Kenyon. QOF .....
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