Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Rotorheads
Reload this Page >

First CH-148s delivered to CAF - finally!

Wikiposts
Search
Rotorheads A haven for helicopter professionals to discuss the things that affect them

First CH-148s delivered to CAF - finally!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 20th Jun 2015, 13:28
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,852
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
First CH-148s delivered to CAF - finally!

CH-148 Cyclones delivered to Halifax airbase - Nova Scotia - CBC News
rotornut is offline  
Old 21st Jun 2015, 13:19
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: In the air with luck
Posts: 1,018
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Sea King replacements: $7.6B Cyclone maritime helicopters lack key safety requirement - Politics - CBC News

Why bother with tenders
500e is offline  
Old 21st Jun 2015, 14:06
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: 1 Dunghill Mansions, Putney
Posts: 1,797
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Plus concerns that even the second engine upgrade being developed for the Cyclone might not be enough:

DND concerned about new Cyclone helicopter's engines

I/C
Ian Corrigible is offline  
Old 21st Jun 2015, 20:04
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Arlington, Tx. US
Posts: 696
Likes: 0
Received 11 Likes on 7 Posts
No doubt the CH-148 fiasco was a major contributor to the UTC's decision to dump Sikorsky along with delays on the CH-53K and no market for the S-76D. It is possible that the new owner will write the program off in the purchase price and require Canada to pay for any fixes. The only prospective owner that probably would not do this would be Textron/Bell with their strong Canadian foot print.

The Sultan
The Sultan is offline  
Old 21st Jun 2015, 22:51
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: canada
Posts: 264
Received 18 Likes on 7 Posts
As a Canadian tax payer, I would be some pissed off at that...
twinstar_ca is offline  
Old 22nd Jun 2015, 03:56
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Arlington, Tx. US
Posts: 696
Likes: 0
Received 11 Likes on 7 Posts
Twin

I would have thought the $250M per aircraft would have been enough to piss off every Canadian already.

The Sultan
The Sultan is offline  
Old 22nd Jun 2015, 11:49
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: In the air with luck
Posts: 1,018
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Less the penalty payments
500e is offline  
Old 25th Jun 2015, 20:58
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: USA
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The acquisition contract is only 1.9 Billion of which only 1.5 Billion is for the actual aircraft. The other .4 Billion is for a variety of things like the modification of 28 ships, the training facilities, and spares. The second contract is for the 20 year in service support. Your 250m per aircraft is incorrect. Not that it matters but the actual figure is closer to 60m per aircraft.
Strider21 is offline  
Old 1st Jul 2015, 13:01
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: On the Rump of Pendle Hill Lancashi
Posts: 614
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Being as I am a civilian and not really up to accounts going beyond £1M, do I assume all spares plus all training and Fuel plus wear and Tear + upgrades are also covered by that Eye watering Contract Price. Or has this Heli been designed just for the Canadians and no one else..!!??

I am sure somebody is putting a "B" in the wrong column... perhaps adventurous accounting..eh!
Peter-RB is offline  
Old 3rd Feb 2016, 15:36
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: 1 Dunghill Mansions, Putney
Posts: 1,797
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
This week's HELiDATA provides the following update, 12 years into the program:

Industry sources suggest that the OTE (operational testing and evaluation) programme for the Cyclone is showing further slippage, with virtually no flying taking place in the last quarter of 2015 and the aircraft now unlikely to reach initial operating capability by 2021. Full operational capability is not now expected until 2028.
I/C
Ian Corrigible is offline  
Old 4th Feb 2016, 02:03
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Arlington, Tx. US
Posts: 696
Likes: 0
Received 11 Likes on 7 Posts
The insult is that Canada will be paying exactly the same per year for these ramp rocks as they would if they were fully operational.

The Sultan
The Sultan is offline  
Old 4th Feb 2016, 12:06
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Canada
Posts: 71
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
How many Seahawk Romeos can one buy for CDN$8 Billion?

We do have a new gov't...
Viper 7 is offline  
Old 4th Feb 2016, 14:10
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Earth
Posts: 697
Received 14 Likes on 9 Posts
From the CBC article linked by the OP:

However, when directly asked that same question by another reporter Kenney responded, "Yes," the new helicopters could fly longer than the 30 minutes without requiring additional lubricant.


Hansen said the gearbox lubricant specification is unnecessary.

"I think it was a bogus requirement to begin with. Nobody else in the world has to do that," he said. "To fly 30 minutes [without lubricant] is a modern engineering miracle."
SansAnhedral is offline  
Old 4th Feb 2016, 17:02
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: daworld
Posts: 642
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Viper 7, if you look back at the period 2000-2006, you'll see it was a Liberal government who chose the S92 in the first place.

By the time these things get into service, it will be time to start looking for a replacement!

noooby is offline  
Old 5th Feb 2016, 20:22
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Texas
Age: 64
Posts: 7,200
Received 395 Likes on 245 Posts
Originally Posted by noooby
Viper 7, if you look back at the period 2000-2006, you'll see it was a Liberal government who chose the S92 in the first place.

By the time these things get into service, it will be time to start looking for a replacement!

Just like the F-35, only a bit cheaper.
It's OK to mention the F-35, the B Model can Hover, so it could be classes as an honorary helicopter.
Lonewolf_50 is offline  
Old 14th Feb 2016, 01:03
  #16 (permalink)  
deHav8
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
What is the problem with the engines? Simply not enough power for the payload?
 
Old 14th Feb 2016, 11:11
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: UK
Posts: 915
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Yep...plans to develop a higher power engine were abandoned .
heli1 is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.