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Old 24th Feb 2017, 09:07
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In 2015, the Swiss REGA has ordered 3 AW169 to be delivered in 2021 (alpine country).
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Old 24th Feb 2017, 10:37
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With FIPS on board....
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Old 24th Feb 2017, 11:38
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Bye bye AW169,
regards,
Alpine countries.
It's about one year that the EASA TC has been updated to 15000 ft maximum altitude for takeoff and landing
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Old 24th Feb 2017, 12:22
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Ah, right. FAA limit only than. Thanks!
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Old 1st Mar 2017, 19:18
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Hey, who knows the training cost for additional type rating with IR? (eight FH) I suppose available only at Leonardo company's training academy. Isn't true?
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Old 14th Mar 2017, 07:22
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Does anyone know, does AMMC built-in-test requires 80 sec?
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Old 14th Mar 2017, 16:27
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Maintenance Manual says it does, but that is part of a full on test playing with circuit breakers.
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Old 14th Mar 2017, 17:16
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Looked at one of these in the flesh recently at HAI.

Now I understand why they will never be popular for Corporate/VIP.

Where do you put the seats so it makes any sense?
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Old 14th Mar 2017, 20:29
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Having just about sorted the retraction issue there is another problem.

EASA is mandating the certification of the medical oxygen system and bottles. Some pre-certified [i.e. Bucher in the H145] but others including the forthcoming UK AW169 fleet from SAS are in the process of certification of the modified Air Methods system. May take a while.

EASA has decided that 'carry on' is not the way to go forward and this has also started to affect HEMS in the USA..... where EASA leads...
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Old 14th Mar 2017, 22:10
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PANews, Canada is even worse. Flexible lines are not allowed on fixed oxy installs anymore. Must be rigid lines, which makes bottle changes a pain in the a***.

Of course, vibration in a helicopter would NEVER affect a rigid line installation. No. Never.

The EASA mandate won't just affect the 169, it will affect all new EMS installs.

RVDT, considering nearly half of 169's sold so far are for Corporate/VIP, I would imagine someone found a good place for the seats, especially as they seem to be well liked so far.
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Old 14th Mar 2017, 23:38
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noooby>>Thank you for your prompt answer.
Wow, thats a surprise.
One additional question, do you know how long does it take to start the ENG when powering on the battery?
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Old 15th Mar 2017, 00:55
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nooby,

considering nearly half of 169's sold so far are for Corporate/VIP, I would imagine someone found a good place for the seats, especially as they seem to be well liked so far.
As there are not that many 169's actually in service that does not account for much.

I know of about 6 very experienced customers looking to upgrade who have been struggling with the seating arrangement issue
and it has swayed their decision not to purchase.
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Old 15th Mar 2017, 16:33
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Yep, I know of one guy who has opted for a 76D instead of the 169. I don't necessarily think a 76D is an upgrade though! C++ is in my mind still better than the D will ever be. For the price of a VIP 76D, you could get the 139 VIP. Unless SK is selling the 76D at a loss to try and generate sales and produce more than the 5/year that they're making at the moment.

I thought there was an interiors company (MAG?) that brought out a number of different VIP and VVIP interiors for the 169? What does the Linfox 169 have in it? They seem to be happy with the machine.

Mickey1123, no idea on engine start times.

The AMMC test I referred to is a Maintenance Check, not a pre-start check.
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Old 15th Mar 2017, 21:18
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One friend of mine went and picked up their customers 169 (fourth attempt to pick it up after being told "its ready" only to turn up and find heaps of snags still not fixed) - and on its first flight it broke down on top of the mountain after delivering the owner to his house.
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Old 15th Mar 2017, 22:06
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Never go and pick up an aircraft in one day! For 139 acceptances we had a 45 page document where we would test EVERYTHING in flight and would stay till everything was fixed. If you leave, they move on to work on that machine of someone who is still there putting pressure on them to fix things.

SK was the same with picking up 92's. You have to be there and put the pressure on. If you're not getting good results, time to get money off the purchase! Make sure you have firm clauses in your sale and purchase agreement about compensation for delivery delays that are not your fault.
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Old 15th Mar 2017, 22:08
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Nooby - it wasn't all in one day - that was their fourth trip to the factory. Each time they were called and told everything was ready - then when they arrived there found out stuff still hadnt been done.
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Old 16th Mar 2017, 00:02
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Did they ask for compensation??? I would if I was them.
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 15:40
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Hi noooby,

I talked with AW169 pilots who told me that the empty weight of the HC is far higher that the figures presented first by AW. Do you know if AW plans to work on that?

Moreover, you said that around half of the sold was for VIP, but the VIP interior isn’t certified yet isn’t it? Are you sure it’s not just Loi and not contract for the VIP standard?
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 03:41
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The one in Oz has a VIP interior doesn't it?

I get my delivery info from www.dgualdo.it ... "The Helicopter Area" - Aviation Photography by Damiano GUALDONI
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Old 24th Mar 2017, 07:42
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Nooby - LinFox's 169 has already been sold back to the UK to another owner and recently arrived at Sloanes for delivery. Seems Lindsay Fox wasn't happy about something with it so he got rid of it - heard he either had another 169 on the way or something else.
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