Early Fifties Helicopter
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Early Fifties Helicopter
Last evening I watched the PBS channel about the race for the Super Bomb, almost at the end of the programme it showed "Ike" being flown into the grounds of the White house in what looked like an early Bell Helicopter, the camera then followed Ike walking out across the lawn and for about 1 or 2 seconds the tail of the heli came into view, the tail rotor seemed to be horizontal,
or was I seeing things,....and if it was how did that work on countering Main Rotor torque.
Peter R-B
or was I seeing things,....and if it was how did that work on countering Main Rotor torque.
Peter R-B
1:39 38sec...
Yup... you're quite right - wrong .... it's another helicopter in the background
and here's his machine - first president to use a helicopter...
Ike and the First Presidential Helicopters | AirSpace
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Flyting,
Thank you, what a quick reply, shows that Rotorheads has all the answers, I have been puzzling that short view all night , trying to work out how any horizontal T/R would work, so thank you.
I just might be able to work now..
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Thank you, what a quick reply, shows that Rotorheads has all the answers, I have been puzzling that short view all night , trying to work out how any horizontal T/R would work, so thank you.
I just might be able to work now..
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Peter-RB - Interesting thoughts Peter because one of the Sikorsky VS-300 variants did have a horizontal tail rotor. It still used a conventionally positioned T/R for directional control. The horizontal one was for pitch which was eventually taken over by the cyclic as the significance of the swash plate became better understood.
It is a truly fascinating story how modern helicopter controllability evolved thanks to the efforts Sikorsky, Arthur Young and Stanley Hiller.
It is a truly fascinating story how modern helicopter controllability evolved thanks to the efforts Sikorsky, Arthur Young and Stanley Hiller.
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Good morning GT,
I did have somewhere in the back of my head the picture of the Horizontal rotor, and I think it is that far distant memory that threw me off by seeing what I had a memory of, but didn't get a long enough view to pick out the spinning M/R in the background of Ikes early Bell.
The Wx here in the North UK is currently calm and high overcast, possible a nice day for 1500 ft cruising.
My regards
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I did have somewhere in the back of my head the picture of the Horizontal rotor, and I think it is that far distant memory that threw me off by seeing what I had a memory of, but didn't get a long enough view to pick out the spinning M/R in the background of Ikes early Bell.
The Wx here in the North UK is currently calm and high overcast, possible a nice day for 1500 ft cruising.
My regards
PRB
Really enjoyed my 5 years on the J2, although in extremis I found the tail rotor pedals a bit weak
, but at least the seat crumpled a bit as designed.......jees, can't believe this little incident was 44 years ago!
, but at least the seat crumpled a bit as designed.......jees, can't believe this little incident was 44 years ago!
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I think that is a Bell 47 J by the way
great tv series based around the bell 47 series called: WHIRLYBIRDS and if you search on youtube you can watch the episodes.
I loved the show growing up.
great tv series based around the bell 47 series called: WHIRLYBIRDS and if you search on youtube you can watch the episodes.
I loved the show growing up.
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Hey SFG
I used to rush home from school every day to catch such things, I had a 4 mile cycle ride in the biting winds of North Yorkshire to get home and twice a week Good Ole Chuck and PT took over my world, with the rotor bird twittering away I always wanted to fly a Heli....took me another 38 years to do it but , I did it and have enjoyed every foot of alt ever since.
Hey DEMO, that looks a little stronger than the old Robbie
PRB
I used to rush home from school every day to catch such things, I had a 4 mile cycle ride in the biting winds of North Yorkshire to get home and twice a week Good Ole Chuck and PT took over my world, with the rotor bird twittering away I always wanted to fly a Heli....took me another 38 years to do it but , I did it and have enjoyed every foot of alt ever since.
Hey DEMO, that looks a little stronger than the old Robbie
PRB
Peter R-B, yes, just a bit! The 47J2 was a strong beast. That picture was the result of stretching a low level (250ft AGL approx) auto rather too far to more level ground in the hills of the Welsh border when the freewheel unit disintegrated. Ran out of RRPM a bit too early but preferable to rolling down the steep hill which was underneath us...sometimes it just ain't your day!
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The dreaded free-wheel club, an enjoyable experience NOT.
Can never understand why we didn't all have an AD to ban those lightweight free-wheel long ago.
They should never have been allowed on anything larger or more powerful than the shorter blades of the G2 variety.
I could be wrong but weren't those cabs built by Beech? I.E. proper strong
Can never understand why we didn't all have an AD to ban those lightweight free-wheel long ago.
They should never have been allowed on anything larger or more powerful than the shorter blades of the G2 variety.
I could be wrong but weren't those cabs built by Beech? I.E. proper strong
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It was more the clutch shoes that caused problems, especially if pilots didn't engage properly. Once shiny the shoes would slip on start up & if not fixed could cause more serious problems later.
