Appropriate accommodation for pilot
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Appropriate accommodation for pilot
Gents, I need some assistance from you. Can you somehow define the term above for housing of helicopter pilot in long term. I am aware that sometimes one has to stay overnight in some !!!!ty place or tent; howeer, what is the minimum standard for accomodation in long term period. Location is next to eqator, in swampy and animal hostile terrain.
Thanks in advance for the suggestions/answers.
Mike
Thanks in advance for the suggestions/answers.
Mike
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Thanks, sure I Will send my own standards; I have them but some suggestions can help complete the list; eg sleeping in non-AC tent for a long period of time while hotel is 30 km away.... no way.
Mike
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Depends on; I'm not so despert to accept everything. Not only due to discomfort but also for the safety reasons. Can you assure your capability to perform flight safetly if you are distracted, tired etc?
I guess everybody needs good sleep and relax from time to time?
RGDS, Mike
I guess everybody needs good sleep and relax from time to time?
RGDS, Mike
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I would check out what your ops manual, and the appropriate aaviation authority say about crew rest and fitness to fly. If they say something along the lines that you should have 8 hours of undisturbed rest in a 24 period, then you have a more than reasonable argument that your rest is being disturbed by the lions etc, and therefore you are not in accordance with the rules. If the buck stops with the captain, (as it always will) to say if he is fit to fly, then you should report yourself as unfit if you dont sleep. Then, they will either fix the problem or they sack you, depending on the company attitude!
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If you work for a big operator then the pilots union would set the standards for accommodation but normally all operators would want to ensure that their flight crews receive sufficient rest in interest of safety and productivity.
You could email Ifalpa.org or ECA https://www.eurocockpit.be/ and Iīm sure they would assist you with minimum standards.
If hotel or house accomodation is not available nearby your base i.e. camp operations then normally crews negotiate a certain reimbursement for living in tent. In Europe that amount should be equal to price of hotel room or thereabout. At the very least it should not be a cheaper solution to let crews sleep in tents. The tent has to be of a certain standard also.
The APA (American pilots association) in a NPRM to FAA duty & flight time requirements set forth the following definition for hotel rooms:
"APA recommended the following revised definition: suitable accommodation means a single-occupancy hotel room or equivalent with a bed, sound mitigation and light and temperature controls that is reasonably free from disturbances.
http://www.faa.gov/regulations_polic...-FinalRule.pdf
You could email Ifalpa.org or ECA https://www.eurocockpit.be/ and Iīm sure they would assist you with minimum standards.
If hotel or house accomodation is not available nearby your base i.e. camp operations then normally crews negotiate a certain reimbursement for living in tent. In Europe that amount should be equal to price of hotel room or thereabout. At the very least it should not be a cheaper solution to let crews sleep in tents. The tent has to be of a certain standard also.
The APA (American pilots association) in a NPRM to FAA duty & flight time requirements set forth the following definition for hotel rooms:
"APA recommended the following revised definition: suitable accommodation means a single-occupancy hotel room or equivalent with a bed, sound mitigation and light and temperature controls that is reasonably free from disturbances.
http://www.faa.gov/regulations_polic...-FinalRule.pdf
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AESIR/NPP, you need to read what location Mike is pointing too...
"Location is next to equator, in swampy and animal hostile terrain"
...I work in West Africa for a rather big company. You seriously think you will call a Union of any kind or possibly your employer? Regulations unfortunately work only one way and that is the company's way, especially for an expat. Regulations and Unions may work in other places but not in Africa.
Uninterrupted sleep? You are joking right!?!
...but I do have a room, kitchen, TV, pool, AC 
and, if we have electricity 
I can actually even use it.
It is quite simple down here. We are here for the money and that is it! There is a reason why we take home 10 to 12+K a month. If I could get it in Europe or the US, I would most definitely not be in a place like this.
Mike, tell us what country you are talking about and I am sure you will get a pretty clear answer here.
if you have to sleep in tents and or no AC, than the standard is $200+K a year. Hope you do not have to be that desperate.
All the best mate!
"Location is next to equator, in swampy and animal hostile terrain"
...I work in West Africa for a rather big company. You seriously think you will call a Union of any kind or possibly your employer? Regulations unfortunately work only one way and that is the company's way, especially for an expat. Regulations and Unions may work in other places but not in Africa.
Uninterrupted sleep? You are joking right!?!
...but I do have a room, kitchen, TV, pool, AC and, if we have electricity I can actually even use it. It is quite simple down here. We are here for the money and that is it! There is a reason why we take home 10 to 12+K a month. If I could get it in Europe or the US, I would most definitely not be in a place like this.
Mike, tell us what country you are talking about and I am sure you will get a pretty clear answer here.
if you have to sleep in tents and or no AC, than the standard is $200+K a year. Hope you do not have to be that desperate.
All the best mate!
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I would highly anticipate a camping scenario.....as I spent some of my early years in South America, a lot of the small villages and towns had little, to no accommodations available.
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It's has to be a seven star hotel with hotlines to hookers and a full size bar otherwise I will not get out of bed.
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