Airspace in the UK?
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From: Australia
Yes. I also understand the UK has notified a difference with ICAO stating radio is not required for IFR in class G.
It obviously works with high levels of safety and would result in less forced risky scud running as happens in Australia where full flight plans details must be lodged with the government if about to enter IMC.
There are times where it would be safer for an Australian IFR qualified pilot to enter IMC - even for a few minutes- in uncontrolled airspace however there is no procedure to allow this without a full IFR plan being filed with ATC. Now that Flightwatch has been closed such a plan would most likely have to be transmitted on a frequency that was also being used to separate airline passenger aircraft. Not an ideal system.
And can someone confirm if a transponder is mandatory in class G in the UK ?
It obviously works with high levels of safety and would result in less forced risky scud running as happens in Australia where full flight plans details must be lodged with the government if about to enter IMC.
There are times where it would be safer for an Australian IFR qualified pilot to enter IMC - even for a few minutes- in uncontrolled airspace however there is no procedure to allow this without a full IFR plan being filed with ATC. Now that Flightwatch has been closed such a plan would most likely have to be transmitted on a frequency that was also being used to separate airline passenger aircraft. Not an ideal system.
And can someone confirm if a transponder is mandatory in class G in the UK ?
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just to confirm there are no restrictions on flight in class G in the UK, you are able to fly IFR, IMC above the transition altitude without a flight plan as long as you comply with the Quadrantal level rule, without talking to ATC, without any electronic navigation aids. Whether you should is another matter.
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G'day Dick,
"would result in less forced risky scud running".
As usual, quite correct.
Particularly via YKAT, many crashes that could have been avoided by what you suggest. 5-10 minutes IFR and you are clear of the cloud, but for well known reasons, that doesn't happen.
That said, with the new Part 61 rules...perhaps none of us will be flying in Aus soon ! (What a mess the introduction has been...).
Good luck to us all.
Arrrj
"would result in less forced risky scud running".
As usual, quite correct.
Particularly via YKAT, many crashes that could have been avoided by what you suggest. 5-10 minutes IFR and you are clear of the cloud, but for well known reasons, that doesn't happen.
That said, with the new Part 61 rules...perhaps none of us will be flying in Aus soon ! (What a mess the introduction has been...).
Good luck to us all.
Arrrj
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From: Australia
One of my airspace proposals of a lifetime ago ( or so it seems) featured " free in G" which copied the proven UK and Canadian system.
Unfortunately not understood by many who could benefit so it did not go ahead. Good to hear that the UK and Canada still have this feature. Means a pilot can enter cloud easily in un controlled airspace if necessary for safety.
Unfortunately not understood by many who could benefit so it did not go ahead. Good to hear that the UK and Canada still have this feature. Means a pilot can enter cloud easily in un controlled airspace if necessary for safety.
