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Old 16th Aug 2014, 08:05   #1 (permalink)
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Nz heliskiing accident

NZ helicopter crash kills one
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Old 17th Aug 2014, 06:50   #2 (permalink)
 
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Heliski accident, NZ

I was following this thread on "Bravo Sierra" and read up to post number 5. In the am I checked again and there were 13 posts but it was blocked or shut down and only showed the first 3 posts. I am aware that there was a fatality involved and condolences to those involved, but I have not seen this action taken before.


Any explanations as to why this thread was shut down on "Bravo Sierra"?.


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Old 17th Aug 2014, 07:44   #3 (permalink)
 
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Looks like it got a bit heated and turned into a slagging match - comment here.
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Old 17th Aug 2014, 21:30   #4 (permalink)
 
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NZ Helicopter Line Heli Ski Crash

Thoughts on what happened here... flat light perhaps?


Auckland church group loses one as helicopter smashes into mountain

Five helicopters ferried five patients to the Wanaka Medical Centre between 2pm and 3pm yesterday. Photo / Otago Daily Times Five helicopters ferried five patients to the Wanaka Medical Centre between 2pm and 3pm yesterday. Photo / Otago Daily Times

A loved family man and popular Church-goer was killed in an alpine helicopter crash yesterday on a rare outing with his mates.

This morning police confirmed the name of the deceased man as Jerome Box, 52, from Grey Lynn. The TAIC had launched an inquiry, Senior Sergeant Gavin Briggs said, and investigators would visit the crash site on Mt Alta later today or tomorrow.

Debris was strewn for almost 1km as an Auckland church group smashed into the side of a mountain aboard a helicopter yesterday, killing one and injuring six.
Wreckage of the helicopter. Photo / One News Wreckage of the helicopter. Photo / One News

Five parishioners from St Paul's Church, Symonds St, were on an $875 per person heli-ski flight when it clipped the north face of Mt Alta, near Wanaka, just after noon.

Up to a dozen helicopters were needed to retrieve the dead man, confirmed by the church as Jerome Box, 52, and the injured off the 2339m peak.
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Old 17th Aug 2014, 22:20   #5 (permalink)
 
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I can only imagine, it deteriorated into some lame Aussie vs Kiwi slagging off session aye?
But I guess those TAIC boys will know soon enough after talking to the pilot. Shame we will not likely here the real story for some time no doubt with high profile company reputations on the line..no pun intended!
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Old 17th Aug 2014, 23:28   #6 (permalink)
 
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Yes so was I TimTooWindy. I think BravoSerria are scared of their own shadow to be honest.
They don't seem to like topics getting any sunlight and the truth gets deleted.

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Old 17th Aug 2014, 23:37   #7 (permalink)
 
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The discussion was about the number of accidents by the company and the command hours of some pilots. Nothing contentious nor defamatory, I thought: just discussing the background.
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Old 18th Aug 2014, 01:13   #8 (permalink)
 
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But then the poster who raised those points got flamed. Whether he was right, wrong or otherwise for making those points, but it got nasty, quickly.

And it was Kiwi vs Kiwi in the name calling.

And no, I wasn't the mod who shut it down.

But we digress. Our thoughts go to the all those involve and the family and friends who who have lost a loved one having a day out with mates.
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Old 18th Aug 2014, 01:47   #9 (permalink)
 
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Yes I'm very disappointed at the action of the Bravo Sierra Mods. Shutting down a topic from further comment will remove it from page 1 due to the inability to post. Subject closed, not for discussion. No doubt people with friends in high places........


I replied to the "Hey Mods" post to politely say that if a topic is offensive to anybody, kindly pick another subject as everybody is entitled to an opinion. That post lasted all of 2 minutes before the Mods deleted any trace of it. I suggested renaming Bravo Sierra to "PC Sierra" or "Warm and Fluffy Sierra". Not that long ago my fellow Sierra's were prevented from commenting on new jobs that were posted which often had good/bad "Insider" information. Again, not for discussion.


I am aware the media often trawl these sights for extra information but that's the reality of the day and age we live in.


Once again, a tragic accident and condolences to those involved, but please, let the discussions continue.


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The BS forum has turned in to a joke !, there seems to be 2 mods who can say what they like , but if they don't like what you write its gets deleted.
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You are dead right! PC Slapper has gone to the pack!

Thoughts go out to all involved in the H Line accident.
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Old 18th Aug 2014, 06:18   #12 (permalink)
 
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Thoughts on what happened here... flat light perhaps?

It did say good conditions......maybe blowing snow before touch down causing white out?.

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Old 18th Aug 2014, 12:13   #13 (permalink)
 
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No!
Bugger off Cyheli - 'we' don't digress.
My thoughts are not with the friends, family relatives blah blah blah absolute PC bull crap. Go write that todge somewhere else for gods sake! So sick of people hijacking forums to spill their emotional hollow clap trap out.
You might but don't comment for the rest of us.
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Old 18th Aug 2014, 13:10   #14 (permalink)
 
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Ha. It seems as though the Bravo Sierra Mods have buckled under the pressure and the thread is once again active. Unfortunately it has lost the momentum of the previous evening.
Well done Mods, we will hold off renaming you PC Sierra.


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Old 19th Aug 2014, 00:00   #15 (permalink)
 
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Semi rigid, the digression was that instead of talking about the accident, the discussion had moved to complaining about another forum who had closed down the thread.
Have a dig a BS if you wish, but do it on its own thread, don't run off on a tangent on an accident thread.
Anyway, that's my thoughts, the PPRuNe mods have let this run, so they obviously don't have an issue with it.
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Location of the crash?

Anyone have any idea as to location/altitude the crash happened?
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Old 19th Aug 2014, 06:57   #17 (permalink)
 
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report says Mt Alta, near Wanaka. i thought that i heard or read 6000', but i could be wrong.
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Old 7th Sep 2014, 09:38   #18 (permalink)
 
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Heliski accident

I'm hearing Vortex ring on the street.
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The TAIC report is out. The AS350 was overloaded and outside the C of G. The company has tried to avoid all responsibilty by dilatory tactics with the legal system and the Charges levelled against them. I hear they did a plea bargain which indicates their first admission of responsibilty.

here is a link to the report

newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/12/chopper-crash-survivors-speak-out-about-negligence-that-killed-their-friend.html
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Would being overloaded by only 30 kgs and a CoG only 3cm out have a significant effect in terms of the performance of the machine? To be clear, I'm not a pilot, but interested to know how critical these parameters are.
That some of the occupants were not strapped in is disturbing...
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