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Old 3rd Aug 2014, 11:01
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Morning gents,
Just out of curiosity what if any other employment ops are likely to be available on base, not in the cab...
Not looking,just wondered??
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One of the "not in the cab" jobs is clearly the engineering but that has been part of the recruitment process on the Bristow website as follows.

SAR licenced engineers - B2- EBU00530
Description: SAR Licenced Engineers B2
We are currently recruiting for B2 licensed engineers across the following UK SAR bases - Inverness, Prestwick, Humberside, Caernarfon, St Athan, Manston, Newquay, Sumburgh, Stornoway.
Qualifications: Candidates must hold a full unrestricted B2 avionics licence with a type rating. Rotary experience is preferred but not essential. Successful applicants are required to live within a 30 mile radius (overland) of their allocated base location. This includes positions at the Sumburgh and Stornoway SAR base locations. Successful applicants will be in contact with US ITAR controlled technology, goods and information. As a condition of employment, employees with access to US ITAR controlled technology and goods may be required to undergo an additional screening process as part of the recruitment process.
Please apply online (ensure you upload your CV) to be considered.
Job: Engineers/Mechanics
Primary Location: Europe, Middle East-United Kingdom
Schedule: Full-time
Number of Openings: 1
Job Posting: Apr 21, 2014, 8:46:48 AM
Unposting Date: Aug 15, 2014, 11:59:00 PM

A similar ad appeared some time ago and on other sites.

Engineering Apprentice jobs have also been advertised.

Inverness will be a training base so I expect there could be a few jobs to support death by powerpoint as well as the inevitable flying training. That is not reflected in the advertising so far. This may mean that this activity will be supported by those who are currently in project and transition roles during implementation.

Apart from the engineering, current job ads for Inverness only ask for a part-time administrator for ops and a full-time storeman.

https://bristowgroup.taleo.net/caree...h.ftl?lang=en#
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Thanks for the info jimf671, detailed as expected...
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Come to think of it, how does/will Bristow conduct continuation training for its paramedics / winchmen?
Do they hire either without two hats (winchmen who aren't paramedics or paramedics who aren't winchmen) and train them up at their ATO?

Or do they ONLY hire twin rated rear crew?
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The winchmen training to be paramedics or paramedics training to be winchmen question is an old chestnut that is visited time and again on PPRuNe. If they are considering the latter, the simple question that Bristow need to ask themselves is are they prepared to conduct SAR operations with one member of the crew who has not been selected primarily for his aircrew qualities and secondarily for his ability to perform as SAR rearcrew?


What qualities are we talking about? His speed of thought, his ability to see the big picture, his understanding of the aircraft's safety parameters, his reaction time, his awareness of what the rest of the crew require of him, his vigilance, his athleticism, his resilience, his determination, his ability to think on his feet, his coordination, his ability to prioritise, his adaptability, his ability to offload the pilots and fulfil duties on their behalf (eg navigation), the speed of his comprehension, his performance under pressure, his ability to assimilate multiple inputs without reaching saturation point. The list is long and I've only just touched upon it.


Bristow may well have method of selecting ambulance paramedics who have those qualities and good luck to them if they do. However, these individuals are unlikely to have any/much flying time behind them. That will lead to a lengthy and frustrating training process if Bristow are to ensure that there is no reduction in the quality of SAR service provided in the UK when they take over. As I recall, the 'no reduction in quality' principle is fundamental to the civilianisation of UK Search and Rescue.
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Vie: I thank you for your considered response. However, I would suggest (having worked with both for decades) that paramedics in the line of fire have 90% of these attributes whilst undertaking their duties too?
Adding : airmanship / aircraft knowledge / winch training is about the only additional training required of a paramedic - no?
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http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/511...ml#post8027104

Managed Transition appears to be a failure for Rear Crew. Trolley-Dolly-In-Drysuit wages do not cut it, especially for RAF OR-7/OR-9 on PA Scales or RN OF-2/OF-3 Observer.

Sam Willenbacher has been told about this.

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Originally Posted by Thomas coupling
... Adding : airmanship / aircraft knowledge / winch training is about the only additional training required of a paramedic - no?

That'll be fine then. Fine if they are all hovering over a clearing in the New Forest on a cool sunny day with a light breeze.

I'm sorry TC, but I don't think you are giving proper credit to what happens in the back when things are wild and tight. A bandage won't fix it.
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Jim: Out of context I might suggest. Based on the endless list of requriements from Vie, the three I pointed out were the "only" ones that were extraordinary to newcomer paramemdics - yes?
I have not attached any weighting to those three you will have noticed. That is a different issue. Steady boy.....steady....
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AW 189s,where are they?

Do any of you learned gentlemen know when the 189s earmarked for CivSAR are going to make an appearance at Inverness? I have been scanning the web for sometime now and the only G reg Bristow 189s Ive come across are flying out of Norwich to the rigs.
I would have thought they would have arrived by now for training?
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Originally Posted by torque137
Do any of you learned gentlemen know when the 189s earmarked for CivSAR are going to make an appearance at Inverness? I have been scanning the web for sometime now and the only G reg Bristow 189s Ive come across are flying out of Norwich to the rigs.
I would have thought they would have arrived by now for training?

The last information I received was in mid-May. At that time, the first example of the SAR variant was said to be in build at Milan and one might expect it to be complete maybe about now. The second SAR example was due to be built at Yeovil and ready around late October.

These aircraft are supposed to be on-site at Dalcross and available for training with other SAR partners from 1st January 2015.
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Originally Posted by Thomas coupling
... ... I have not attached any weighting to those three you will have noticed. That is a different issue. Steady boy.....steady....

OK. No weighting. Just three from the list.

Would you like to add some weighting perhaps?
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AW 189s,where are they?
Do any of you learned gentlemen know when the 189s earmarked for CivSAR are going to make an appearance at Inverness? I have been scanning the web for sometime now and the only G reg Bristow 189s Ive come across are flying out of Norwich to the rigs.
I would have thought they would have arrived by now for training?

Hangers not finished yet, I know cos I'm looking at it......
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I am still wondering how the underside profile will change with the SAR fuel tank and how that will affect ground clearance and therefore mountain landings and partial landings.

Low ground clearance means using power to keep weight off the wheels and SAR partners working in greater downwash.


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Yes, the frame is up and the roof is on at Dalcross and work continues. A lot of people are probably more interested in whether the beds and kettles are sorted.

Importantly, it is 4800m to the nearest takeaway.
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Thought it was a given for the local butcher to provide steaks for the on base BBQ?
Works in Orkney!
All the crew gotta do is go pick it up
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Originally Posted by heliwanab
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Thought it was a given for the local butcher to provide steaks for the on base BBQ?
Works in Orkney!
All the crew gotta do is go pick it up

Is it true that if you land and pick up steaks then it's Gross Misconduct but if you hover and winch the steaks up then it's training?
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AW189s,where are they?

Many thanks for the swift replies gents...the long wait continues.📷🚁.
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Adding : airmanship / aircraft knowledge / winch training is about the only additional training required of a paramedic - no?
Aircraft knowledge - 2 weeks minimum
Winch training - 9 months would be needed to firstly become a proficient helicopter crewman and then convert to being a winchman who is competent in all the different aspects of the role
Airmanship - how long is a piece of string?

Remember - once you let a winchman loose on operations he's on his own. It's not like the co-pilot who gets mentored for a long time before shuffling across to the right-hand seat. As soon as the new winchman is qualified he's in at the deep end and the rest of the crew are relying upon him to come up with the goods. The DFT specification is that any winchman recruited is to have had at least 3 months experience in a military or civilian SAR unit. I don't see how your average road ambulance paramedic will meet that quality control requirement.
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You submit really good posts with a lot of information. However if you think ambulances turn up, put a bandage on and go then how simple life would be. I understand your background is MRT, rest assured they do a fantastic job and I would love to be part of that superb organisation. However, some of your posts appear as if you were a maestro in the back of the cab and indeed some posts you should read before posting. Rant over from a p****d off ambulance employee.
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