Sea King Self Starting?
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Sea King Self Starting?
Having been parked in a hospital car park for over 45 minutes near a Sea King helicopter with either an engine or APU running, a friend asked me if Sea Kings were self starting from scratch without a ground power unit.
As an aeroplane driver I can think of several reasons why you might sit for 45 minutes with the engine or APU running, and it seems unlikely to me that an aircraft capable of landing "off piste" wouldn't be self sufficient, but I don't actually know the answer!
TIA if anyone can enlighten me.
As an aeroplane driver I can think of several reasons why you might sit for 45 minutes with the engine or APU running, and it seems unlikely to me that an aircraft capable of landing "off piste" wouldn't be self sufficient, but I don't actually know the answer!
TIA if anyone can enlighten me.
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Yes, the Sea King has a big thing in the nose called a battery, which produces wiggly amps to the starter generator which turns the engine around while also sending amps to the ignitors which clack away making sparks to ignite the combustible stuff which is sprayed into the appropriate part of the Gnome.
There is no APU, but the blades & No 2 engine can be stopped and the No 1 engine runs the accessory drive train (gens and hyd pumps).
There is no APU, but the blades & No 2 engine can be stopped and the No 1 engine runs the accessory drive train (gens and hyd pumps).
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From: Wandering the FIR and cyberspace often at highly unsociable times
Most, if not all helicopters can start from internal power. The reason being that helicopters don't "in the main" tend to operate from near a ground power supply.
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What JE is trying to say is. The pilot did not know when he was going to get airborne and he wa afraid to shut down completely on the off chance that the batteriy might not be man enough to kick the engines back into life,
It's called insurance. I never bothered. I would shut down and chat up the nurses.
It's called insurance. I never bothered. I would shut down and chat up the nurses.
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You have a choice - either keep the number 1 engine running in accessory drive to pretty much guarantee being able to get home or shut down completely and hope the battery has enough oomph to get the first engine started.
All it needs is wet or failed start and suddenly the volts are dropping quickly - we start the number one in manual control as a precaution against low voltage causing fuel computer problems.
Sometimes the choice is dictated by how long the winchman will be handing over the casualty to the hospital staff - we try to get our kit back, especially stretchers, and it may take a while for the casualty to be in a stable enough condition to be safely removed from our stretcher.
Bizarrely, we only have one battery fitted to the Mk3 and 3A when there is appropriate provision for a second one.
We do know it pisses people off listening to jet noise in the middle of the night but a. we have to make sure we can get home and stay on operational state and b. jet noise is the sound of freedom so tough!
All it needs is wet or failed start and suddenly the volts are dropping quickly - we start the number one in manual control as a precaution against low voltage causing fuel computer problems.
Sometimes the choice is dictated by how long the winchman will be handing over the casualty to the hospital staff - we try to get our kit back, especially stretchers, and it may take a while for the casualty to be in a stable enough condition to be safely removed from our stretcher.
Bizarrely, we only have one battery fitted to the Mk3 and 3A when there is appropriate provision for a second one.
We do know it pisses people off listening to jet noise in the middle of the night but a. we have to make sure we can get home and stay on operational state and b. jet noise is the sound of freedom so tough!
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All it needs is wet or failed start and suddenly the volts are dropping quickly - we start the number one in manual control as a precaution against low voltage causing fuel computer problems.
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From: Among these dark Satanic mills
I never had a problem starting a Mk3 or 3a on battery if you did it in manual throttle. Some crews were/are just afraid of doing this.
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Putting the port engine into accessory drive, small amount of fuel consumption, keeps all the Hydraulic and electrical systems etc online allowing a quicker rotor start and reducing the chance of a port engine start failure and quicker reaction time in the event of another callout also reducing the chance of blocking the helipad.
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From: Daventry UK
In my day, before reliable(?) mobile phones, it was normal to keep the port engine running on the ground to provide wiggly amps, as opposed to 24v from the battery, to enable use of the HF radio to keep in contact with ARCC.
