Two Helos Collide in New Zealand
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Agree with TC & Crab, hence my remarks albeit tongue in cheek. Mind you I have often blamed that stationary object of getting in my way and hitting me.....usually after a scotch like djk59 or is he Helicopterinterested in drag??
I'm sure I can speak for all normal people in wishing the injured a speedy full recovery.
I'm sure I can speak for all normal people in wishing the injured a speedy full recovery.
TC and Crab
Helicopterinterested, you seem to have more flight experience than me in the industry, and seems quite patriotic, I'm a mere pax on various flights around the world. That aside you seem a Kiwi that feels that the world is against him, Joking aside All Blacks at Twickenham in 3 weeks?????
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You are an embarrasment to all heli pilots. What an insult to heicopterinterested about the age/posts comment. Your insults beliong in the gutter. You are thoughtless, rude and arrogant and I am ashamed such insults come from another pilot about an incident where the pilot in question is in a coma.
To throw around you "expertise" and insults from the otherside of the world (where I am too it should be noted) on an accident you know little about is an absolute insult to the pilot and his family and to the operator concerned. I note you have thousands of posts, so obviously you have a hell of a lot to say about everything, what I call an armchair warrior. I have watched this site for years now with disgust at the insults, kicking one when they are down, and the so called expertise shown on matters to which they use hearsay and in most instances no evidence whatsoever. Gossip moungering I once heard a English pilot tell me. I only joined so that I can share with the Kiwi pilots and all those others that have been touched by this accident that there are some of us that do care about other pilots.
How do you know the investigation wont throw up a mechanical failure of some sort?. Yes it may be Pilot error but your complete disregard to the pilot in question and his family beggars belief. Take one minute here and think, what if I had an accident and all these insults where thrown at me and my family while I am lying in a coma in hospital.
And dont ever say it cannot happen to you. I too have flown for 34 years in the mountains, luckily without accident. I have been bound by the most strindgent rules in Europe and the operators I fly for, but I can tell you one thing, I have had plenty of close calls in that 34 years. It could me next or you. So take a long hard look at the rhetoric you write here and think about what it would be like if you had an accident and then all and sundry thrash your name and your repuation without a blink of any eye and how your family would take that. If you dont see that then I am at a loss to how you can sleep at night. This is an accident. They will always happen in this industry, to both new and experienced pilots a like. Yes we can try and minimise them.
If a country aviation authority allows certain things to happen then those are the rules.
Eg In Germany and France you can speed along a motorway. In other countries tha same thing is illegal. That doesnt make the drivers in Germany or France bad drivers if they have an accident now does it?
Double Bogey, Thanks for your words. Nice to hear some balanced persective and another aviator thats genuinely worried about the injured pilot. I know New Zeeland have some excellent pilots as do most countires around the world, including the UK. I know there are quite a number of pilots from New Zeeland that have 20,000 to 30,000 hours on those mountains down there without accident. I was amazed when I went down there. The operators I saw down there totaly professional and I felt vey safe on the scenic flights I did when visiting down there.
Have you even been down there to see for yourself TC, problay not?
As is said before I make no judgment what so ever on the accident or the pilot invloved or the company invloved because I do not know the facts, I do not know if there was a mechanical failure or not and I am not there to see with my own eyes.
Instead my thoughts are with the pilot and his family and I wish the pilot a speedy recovery. Thats what this forum should be about, supporting our fellow pilots.
You are an embarrasment to all heli pilots. What an insult to heicopterinterested about the age/posts comment. Your insults beliong in the gutter. You are thoughtless, rude and arrogant and I am ashamed such insults come from another pilot about an incident where the pilot in question is in a coma.
To throw around you "expertise" and insults from the otherside of the world (where I am too it should be noted) on an accident you know little about is an absolute insult to the pilot and his family and to the operator concerned. I note you have thousands of posts, so obviously you have a hell of a lot to say about everything, what I call an armchair warrior. I have watched this site for years now with disgust at the insults, kicking one when they are down, and the so called expertise shown on matters to which they use hearsay and in most instances no evidence whatsoever. Gossip moungering I once heard a English pilot tell me. I only joined so that I can share with the Kiwi pilots and all those others that have been touched by this accident that there are some of us that do care about other pilots.
How do you know the investigation wont throw up a mechanical failure of some sort?. Yes it may be Pilot error but your complete disregard to the pilot in question and his family beggars belief. Take one minute here and think, what if I had an accident and all these insults where thrown at me and my family while I am lying in a coma in hospital.
And dont ever say it cannot happen to you. I too have flown for 34 years in the mountains, luckily without accident. I have been bound by the most strindgent rules in Europe and the operators I fly for, but I can tell you one thing, I have had plenty of close calls in that 34 years. It could me next or you. So take a long hard look at the rhetoric you write here and think about what it would be like if you had an accident and then all and sundry thrash your name and your repuation without a blink of any eye and how your family would take that. If you dont see that then I am at a loss to how you can sleep at night. This is an accident. They will always happen in this industry, to both new and experienced pilots a like. Yes we can try and minimise them.
If a country aviation authority allows certain things to happen then those are the rules.
Eg In Germany and France you can speed along a motorway. In other countries tha same thing is illegal. That doesnt make the drivers in Germany or France bad drivers if they have an accident now does it?
Double Bogey, Thanks for your words. Nice to hear some balanced persective and another aviator thats genuinely worried about the injured pilot. I know New Zeeland have some excellent pilots as do most countires around the world, including the UK. I know there are quite a number of pilots from New Zeeland that have 20,000 to 30,000 hours on those mountains down there without accident. I was amazed when I went down there. The operators I saw down there totaly professional and I felt vey safe on the scenic flights I did when visiting down there.
Have you even been down there to see for yourself TC, problay not?
As is said before I make no judgment what so ever on the accident or the pilot invloved or the company invloved because I do not know the facts, I do not know if there was a mechanical failure or not and I am not there to see with my own eyes.
Instead my thoughts are with the pilot and his family and I wish the pilot a speedy recovery. Thats what this forum should be about, supporting our fellow pilots.
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Thomas, Your question >>> Am I a pilot??? Is this where we have competition about hours and numbers to decide who should say whether someone is correct in their opinion.
Yes I am, but not as experienced as you, You win.
You are right that someone should know what they are up against or who before commenting, But seeing old Crab there has a problem NZ and feels Europe is so much better than us, And felt that The Helicopter Line is taking excessive risks in their commercial activities. At this point I am in a position I dont care for his seniority or skills because I stand here backed I sure by a bulk of the long time operators and drivers from not just NZ but Canada and the US in saying his comments are Utter BS.
English I wish was not my first language because I really don't like the English way of seeing life or the idea that NZ is an English country so I try my hardest to butcher it where I can with bad spelling and grammar mistakes to aggravate any English people stuck up enough to call me on my language use skills.
I also have no fear in having a go at people that start out like Crab and some of your comments with attacks on NZ aviation and the pilot in this crash as if you are both so much better than them because you log book says xxxxxx hours.
THL made in excess of 24000 mountain landings last year and maybe more, They have had 27 years of very high safety standards and I don't think this one mishap is a reason to attack their skills or safety standards as operators.
You two are like the Waldorf and Statler muppets pointing at a black wall and trying to sound clever in telling people its black.
Of course the pilot has made a mistake. Get a badge for you chests so I know next time who the experts are.
I work globally in the helicopter industry and I am on first name basis with many people of plenty of experience and owner ship of companies in the top 5 in the world for helicopter numbers through out Latin America, Canada, NZ Australia. These people would not support your comments here and if I am scared of any actions I make in the industry it is for sure the judgement from these people and not you two arrogant typical UK people.
If I have a question for you seeing you have some for me, Do you look at your self in the mirror with your flight suit and gloves while you write your 2500 odd posts.
Did you really fly all these hours and gain all that experience to turn out like your sound on here?
Get real the both of you, Who ever is judging here just needs to calm down and be more constructive and supportive of a difficult time for not only the family and the pilot but the company and the local helicopter industry its self. There is plenty of time later to make constructive action in regard to the mistakes that might have lead to this situation.
I dont have any control over the decisions in this operation what so ever nor am I in a position where I would want to. I am primarily interested in helicopter use in a safe and profitable way seeing I work in the industry and its public profile view affects my life and the life of my colleagues.
And seeing I dont find your blog to be of value, dont worry I wont affect your staging ground for high level criticism of your industry pairs, This is my last effort to add value to this devalued chat.
Yes I am, but not as experienced as you, You win.
You are right that someone should know what they are up against or who before commenting, But seeing old Crab there has a problem NZ and feels Europe is so much better than us, And felt that The Helicopter Line is taking excessive risks in their commercial activities. At this point I am in a position I dont care for his seniority or skills because I stand here backed I sure by a bulk of the long time operators and drivers from not just NZ but Canada and the US in saying his comments are Utter BS.
English I wish was not my first language because I really don't like the English way of seeing life or the idea that NZ is an English country so I try my hardest to butcher it where I can with bad spelling and grammar mistakes to aggravate any English people stuck up enough to call me on my language use skills.
I also have no fear in having a go at people that start out like Crab and some of your comments with attacks on NZ aviation and the pilot in this crash as if you are both so much better than them because you log book says xxxxxx hours.
THL made in excess of 24000 mountain landings last year and maybe more, They have had 27 years of very high safety standards and I don't think this one mishap is a reason to attack their skills or safety standards as operators.
You two are like the Waldorf and Statler muppets pointing at a black wall and trying to sound clever in telling people its black.
Of course the pilot has made a mistake. Get a badge for you chests so I know next time who the experts are.
I work globally in the helicopter industry and I am on first name basis with many people of plenty of experience and owner ship of companies in the top 5 in the world for helicopter numbers through out Latin America, Canada, NZ Australia. These people would not support your comments here and if I am scared of any actions I make in the industry it is for sure the judgement from these people and not you two arrogant typical UK people.
If I have a question for you seeing you have some for me, Do you look at your self in the mirror with your flight suit and gloves while you write your 2500 odd posts.
Did you really fly all these hours and gain all that experience to turn out like your sound on here?
Get real the both of you, Who ever is judging here just needs to calm down and be more constructive and supportive of a difficult time for not only the family and the pilot but the company and the local helicopter industry its self. There is plenty of time later to make constructive action in regard to the mistakes that might have lead to this situation.
I dont have any control over the decisions in this operation what so ever nor am I in a position where I would want to. I am primarily interested in helicopter use in a safe and profitable way seeing I work in the industry and its public profile view affects my life and the life of my colleagues.
And seeing I dont find your blog to be of value, dont worry I wont affect your staging ground for high level criticism of your industry pairs, This is my last effort to add value to this devalued chat.
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DJK - well said but I fear your words are lost on the likes of TC. He thinks he knows better than anyone about anything. Aviation History is littered with events where bad things happen to good people.
I too am dismayed at the critism levelled at the pilot when no facts have yet being released about the accident. It's supposed to be a rumour network. Trashing a fellow pilots reputation is not rumour. It's just ignorance and rudeness.
TC writes in his last post
"be careful about throwing insults around about people you know nothing about"
TC is so dim he cannot see the sad irony of his own words!!!
TC - the pilot is apparently in hospital in a coma. Have you no human qualities that would allow you to apologise for the crass posts you have made while this man and his family suffers!!!
DB
I too am dismayed at the critism levelled at the pilot when no facts have yet being released about the accident. It's supposed to be a rumour network. Trashing a fellow pilots reputation is not rumour. It's just ignorance and rudeness.
TC writes in his last post
"be careful about throwing insults around about people you know nothing about"
TC is so dim he cannot see the sad irony of his own words!!!
TC - the pilot is apparently in hospital in a coma. Have you no human qualities that would allow you to apologise for the crass posts you have made while this man and his family suffers!!!
DB
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I know a lot about this accident and worked for THL initially in 1986 as a pilot and have been involved ever since in some way. I have landed on this glacier many times and am well qualified to comment.
Firstly , Kiwi Ned should know better than to call this thread by such a stupid name. This accident is actually a helicopter contacting an object on the ground whilst attempting to land . The fact the object is a helicopter is immaterial. The blades were not turning !
He is , what's called in NZ, a "skidbiter ", and should know better than to post such an attention grabbing headline . He should stick to magazines.
Almost daily, somewhere in the world ,someone cocks up a landing .
No body has been killed , it is a bad crash but does not deserve the vilification and rubbish being posted.
The owner of the helicopter involved is incorrect about THL's record.
THL has actually had 3 multi-fatal crashes in the last 27 years .
1989 Jetranger (ZH HKN ) in the Shotover hit a cable , 3 dead.
199- Squirrel at Franz 7 (or 6 ) dead , can't remember.
199_ Jetranger into the sea , 1 dead ( Paul Holmes crash)
There have also been quite a number of other crashes .
I can think of another Jetranger in Queenstown , a Jetranger and a Squirrel at mount Cook.
That'll do for now , as I guess, I will be shot down in flames as soon as I post.
I know a lot about this accident and worked for THL initially in 1986 as a pilot and have been involved ever since in some way. I have landed on this glacier many times and am well qualified to comment.
Firstly , Kiwi Ned should know better than to call this thread by such a stupid name. This accident is actually a helicopter contacting an object on the ground whilst attempting to land . The fact the object is a helicopter is immaterial. The blades were not turning !
He is , what's called in NZ, a "skidbiter ", and should know better than to post such an attention grabbing headline . He should stick to magazines.
Almost daily, somewhere in the world ,someone cocks up a landing .
No body has been killed , it is a bad crash but does not deserve the vilification and rubbish being posted.
The owner of the helicopter involved is incorrect about THL's record.
THL has actually had 3 multi-fatal crashes in the last 27 years .
1989 Jetranger (ZH HKN ) in the Shotover hit a cable , 3 dead.
199- Squirrel at Franz 7 (or 6 ) dead , can't remember.
199_ Jetranger into the sea , 1 dead ( Paul Holmes crash)
There have also been quite a number of other crashes .
I can think of another Jetranger in Queenstown , a Jetranger and a Squirrel at mount Cook.
That'll do for now , as I guess, I will be shot down in flames as soon as I post.
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NZaligator know about the crashes. Not all but most. I still think they have a lot of flight hours per accident history.
I was saying safe history not perfect.
Fair comments and far more ability to comment than me.
I was saying safe history not perfect.
Fair comments and far more ability to comment than me.
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Nzaligator - Like it or not the one landing helo HIT the other one - that's known as two objects colliding. The OBJECT you refer to was actually another helicopter so therefore two helos collide is an accurate statement. Dont like it - tough luck.
Calling people names like me a skidbiter makes you oh so professional doesn't it. At least people know who I am instead of some bigmouth behind a keyboard. And I am more than happy to stick to my magazines, wouldnt want to be put in the same class as an obnoxious prick like you.
Tell Pete and Grant I said hi. They have class and I feel sorry for them for having to go through all this drama - you - couldnt care less about
Calling people names like me a skidbiter makes you oh so professional doesn't it. At least people know who I am instead of some bigmouth behind a keyboard. And I am more than happy to stick to my magazines, wouldnt want to be put in the same class as an obnoxious prick like you.
Tell Pete and Grant I said hi. They have class and I feel sorry for them for having to go through all this drama - you - couldnt care less about
Thread Starter
Oh and NZaligator - Couple of points I missed. The title of the post actually came from TV when it was first reported. Got an issue with it then call them.
Secondly - Just been having a good chat with Pete filling him on your diatribe here and he has no issue with what I have posted here so as far as YOUR opinion you can roll it up into a nice cylinder shape with a point on the end and then shove it up your ass
And rottenjohn you are just a ******** and have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.
Morons like you two just reminded me why this place has become somewhere that professional pilots avoid.
You are welcome to it. Bye bye dickheads.
Secondly - Just been having a good chat with Pete filling him on your diatribe here and he has no issue with what I have posted here so as far as YOUR opinion you can roll it up into a nice cylinder shape with a point on the end and then shove it up your ass
And rottenjohn you are just a ******** and have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.
Morons like you two just reminded me why this place has become somewhere that professional pilots avoid.
You are welcome to it. Bye bye dickheads.
