Westland Scout research
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From my notes at the time confirm details of incident.
Last time I saw 629 it was painted black and green, had Royal Marines on the tail and coded DR. It was giving me a lift from the Elk back to the Europic Ferry where it stayed until D Day. Then left to join the rest of 3CBAS RM.
Picture presented is c**p & looks like it has been taken from a kids art magazine.
RIP Dick.
Last time I saw 629 it was painted black and green, had Royal Marines on the tail and coded DR. It was giving me a lift from the Elk back to the Europic Ferry where it stayed until D Day. Then left to join the rest of 3CBAS RM.
Picture presented is c**p & looks like it has been taken from a kids art magazine.
RIP Dick.
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Ah well Gazzer, 629 seems to have raised some responses so, just maybe, your intention of dedicating this project to the memory of late Lt. Richard 'Dick' Nunn, DFC is appropriate, particularly seeing as you had an interest in those aircraft which served in the Falklands.
Regarding drawings, perhaps you could measure the main dimensions from a museum aircraft and scale them down! How do scale-modelers go about building things without detailed plans?
Regarding drawings, perhaps you could measure the main dimensions from a museum aircraft and scale them down! How do scale-modelers go about building things without detailed plans?
Gaz
Didn't SS offer you an ODM or copy? That has all the dimensions in it.
I'm certain I've got one in the attic or garage somewhere but that might take a week to find so I don't want to offer unless he can't find his. There is also the famous Scout sliderule and a damper thingy checker somewhere.
Yes we actually carried a sliderule! Best bit of kit ever invented for a single pilot moving 150+ pax in/exfills over 30Nm transits with 500lbs of fuel.
Didn't SS offer you an ODM or copy? That has all the dimensions in it.
I'm certain I've got one in the attic or garage somewhere but that might take a week to find so I don't want to offer unless he can't find his. There is also the famous Scout sliderule and a damper thingy checker somewhere.
Yes we actually carried a sliderule! Best bit of kit ever invented for a single pilot moving 150+ pax in/exfills over 30Nm transits with 500lbs of fuel.
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I think my ODM & FRC's were trumped by Slinks offer 
I acquired many things along the way, but the old kit bag wasn't quite big enough for an airframe
I acquired many things along the way, but the old kit bag wasn't quite big enough for an airframe
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digin, This wouldn't be the "Avtag doesn't burn" bloke by any chance?
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Gentlemen,
My day was cut short by two cancelled appointments and up here in Lanky its not a nice day so I have spent a short amount of time reading this thread from the first post, ...What an interesting Helicopter and what a huge range of jobs it could do, , one of the most informative threads I have read for months .
My regards to you all.
Peter R-B
Lancashire
My day was cut short by two cancelled appointments and up here in Lanky its not a nice day so I have spent a short amount of time reading this thread from the first post, ...What an interesting Helicopter and what a huge range of jobs it could do, , one of the most informative threads I have read for months .
My regards to you all.
Peter R-B
Lancashire
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Found this in the back of a hangar in New Jersey
Sorry for the poor quality photos. Happened to be at an airport in southern New Jersey a few months ago and found XV134 in the back of a hangar. Can't imagine there are too many of these in the USA. Looked on the FAA website and it is registered but has no airworthiness at this time; does have experimental on the side though so hopefully someone gets it flying again one of these days.
The best fun I ever had flying the Scout was single pilot over the jungle doing resup para drops off the ramp in the back dispatched by 47 AD. I forget what we called the slide thing in the back?
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Scout helicopter in NI/Falklands
While it is true that the army only had one designation for the Scout helicopter, (AH1) it is not true to say that any Scout could be used in both Utility and ATGW roles. ATGW Scouts could be operated as Utility aircraft, but Utility Scouts could not be operated in the ATGW role as they lacked the attachment points for the missile booms, attachment lugs for the AF 120 sight, apertures in the cabin floor to allow the passage of missile system wiring and only had one rotary inverter installed. (ATGW aircraft required two)
Utility Scouts could usually be identified by the lack of an aperture for the AF 120 sight in the canopy above the gunner's (LH) seat, such as in the photograph of "XP 900" (Which if you look closely enough you will see that it is actually XP 896) As to whether Falklands war Scouts were ever used in N.I., that is highly likely as all BAOR squadrons (i.e. ATGW squadrons) were rotated through N.I. on four month emergency tours, and aircraft are routinely transferred from one unit to another for a variety of reasons.
Finally, the SS 11 missile has a maximum effective range of 3,000 metres, not 6,000metres as was stated in another posting. The maximum range is dictated by the length of the command wires fed from a spool within the missile body.
Utility Scouts could usually be identified by the lack of an aperture for the AF 120 sight in the canopy above the gunner's (LH) seat, such as in the photograph of "XP 900" (Which if you look closely enough you will see that it is actually XP 896) As to whether Falklands war Scouts were ever used in N.I., that is highly likely as all BAOR squadrons (i.e. ATGW squadrons) were rotated through N.I. on four month emergency tours, and aircraft are routinely transferred from one unit to another for a variety of reasons.
Finally, the SS 11 missile has a maximum effective range of 3,000 metres, not 6,000metres as was stated in another posting. The maximum range is dictated by the length of the command wires fed from a spool within the missile body.
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Scout underpowered
I think I would have to take slight issue with the Scout being under-powered. I would have said it was better than most types I have flown. I flew it in Hong Kong in 1971/74 where, if my memory serves me, the highest landing was just at over three thousand feet. The summer temperatures were in the thirties and we loaded it to the limit with Ghurkas and radios and flew them into some very tight spots and I never quite ran out of power.
I graduated to the Scout from the Bell 47 Sioux, the Hiller 12B/C and the Saro Skeeter. Now that was underpowered - on a bad day, trying to get airborne from a road on the side of a hill with a large passenger, I couldn't even extend the oleos fully.
I graduated to the Scout from the Bell 47 Sioux, the Hiller 12B/C and the Saro Skeeter. Now that was underpowered - on a bad day, trying to get airborne from a road on the side of a hill with a large passenger, I couldn't even extend the oleos fully.
I think I said somewhere in the dim and distant past there was nothing underpowered about the Scout - it operated at 3-5k DA at AUW in the Far East all day long - bulked out on many an occasion - if you could get Translational lift you were gone - it was like having an extra gear!
ATGW was just another role all AH1s could be fitted.
ATGW was just another role all AH1s could be fitted.
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Scout helicopter role discrepancy.
Please take a look at Scout "Q" on the cover of "Helicopter Magazine" on page 4 of this string. Immediately below the rear corner of the back door, you will see an external horizontal stiffener with an attachment lug on each end. These lugs are the lower attachment points for the SS11 booms, i.e. an ATGW specific aircraft. Now look at the left hand side view of XV 134/N438VC also on page 4. No stiffener, no attachment lugs, therefore NO ATGW capability, i.e. a Utility specific aircraft. ATGW aircraft had a third external stiffener below the footstep. Utility Scouts do not. This is a structural modification and cannot be transferred between aircraft. ATGW/Utility......never the twain shall meet.
Well 1900hrs of Scout Piloting and nobody told me that! I must have been having a kip during Bob H? Tech lessons and Oscar's ? Subsequent refresher. Thanks for pointing out my error. Just out of interest your initials aren't RP are they?
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