Off topic faith discussion
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I agree with Rotoronin. Leave off the "My invisible friends better than your invisible friend" stuff, if it makes you feel superior to go to church then do that and don't go sprouting off on an aviation forum. Go to the Blind faith forum.
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"Religion" is nothing more or less than how the individual explains the inexplicable and rationalizes the irrational. It is the means by which the individual deals with the unknown and the unknowable.
As such, atheism and agnosticism are in themselves "religions."
Some individuals are offended when others profess religious beliefs which differ from their own, and this is most regrettable.
As such, atheism and agnosticism are in themselves "religions."
Some individuals are offended when others profess religious beliefs which differ from their own, and this is most regrettable.
I just heard from a mate that I'd become a hate figure from saying speculation and prayer won't help at this early stage...
I did not see you as a "Hate Figure" but rather one that deserves pity.
Offending people by challenging their Faith on an anonymous forum such as Rotorheads just seems rather crass.
You should reserve those comments for Jet Blast.
I am not a "religious" person....far from it....but I have the decency to respect those who do ascribe to Faith and see it as being offensive for someone saying what you have in your original post.
No mattter how you spin it....bad taste is simply rude.
I suppose we are far more tolerant when it comes to Religion in my Country as part of the reason it came about was so many folks sought refuge from intolerance all those years ago.
I am not sure Prayer works.....but I know for a certainty it does not hurt.
That seems a simple standard by which to judge it.
An aside....I had prepared a response very similar in Tone to that posted by African Eagle....but after a moment of silent prayer and a cup of coffee....I decided no to post it. Perhaps my Prayer was answered by some force prompted AE to make that Post in my stead.
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If some one says to me "God speed" "may god be with you" etc. etc. I don't get upset I look at the person saying it. If they mean genuine care for me and my family I accept it as a human token of care and am grateful. I'm not religious person and have no time for religion given the trouble it can cause between people, but it is simply that persons culture of care.
Perhaps when you read someone saying we should "Pray" for them maybe think of words suitable to you along the lines of "I hope this turns out okay".
As I say it is the underlying intent of the words you should concentrate on not the actual words.
Peace out
Si
Perhaps when you read someone saying we should "Pray" for them maybe think of words suitable to you along the lines of "I hope this turns out okay".
As I say it is the underlying intent of the words you should concentrate on not the actual words.
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Rororonin, spot on. This forum seems to have developed a bizarre habit of forumites offering "condolences" and additions of "RIP" from people who have never met and do not know victims - this is inappropriate, mawkish, patronising and self-indulgent and so is offering prayers. You don't say "RIP" when someone you don't know has died, that's just weird! In fact, RIP is not something anybody says, ever, it is something that is carved on a headstone, not articulated out loud. (unless, maybe, by the vicar at a funeral service)
Seems to me some people just don't know what to do or say and instead of realising they shouldn't/needn't say anything go blabbing the first thing that occurs to them.
As for praying, didn't Jesus have something to say about ostentatious prayers in public? Matthew 6:5
I'm sure the same sentiment goes for ostentatious pretentions of grief for people you've never met too. Do you stop off at a complete stranger's funeral and offer the grieving widow your "condolences"? Of course not, that would be crass beyond belief, so why do it here?
Nothing stinks quite like fake piety.
Grieving for an audience...
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Seems to me some people just don't know what to do or say and instead of realising they shouldn't/needn't say anything go blabbing the first thing that occurs to them.
As for praying, didn't Jesus have something to say about ostentatious prayers in public? Matthew 6:5
I'm sure the same sentiment goes for ostentatious pretentions of grief for people you've never met too. Do you stop off at a complete stranger's funeral and offer the grieving widow your "condolences"? Of course not, that would be crass beyond belief, so why do it here?
Nothing stinks quite like fake piety.
Grieving for an audience...
Etiquette: Grieving for an Audience | Persephone Magazine
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I love this thread.
Whatever floats your boat I suppose. But if someone expresses religious view to me and expects me to show tolerance, please expect me to share with you my militant atheism and show equal tolerance.
Whatever floats your boat I suppose. But if someone expresses religious view to me and expects me to show tolerance, please expect me to share with you my militant atheism and show equal tolerance.
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Oh Dear...
... hear we go.
As if it wasn't bad enough that religion has caused more grief in the history of the world than any other aspect of human activity. We have to import it into our little world where, guess what? It causes more grief.
Give it a break guys, those that believe have a right to do so and as long as they don't come bothering me I'm happy to let them. It's a pity that they appear to be a little less tolerant than their beliefs tell them they should be.
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As if it wasn't bad enough that religion has caused more grief in the history of the world than any other aspect of human activity. We have to import it into our little world where, guess what? It causes more grief.
Give it a break guys, those that believe have a right to do so and as long as they don't come bothering me I'm happy to let them. It's a pity that they appear to be a little less tolerant than their beliefs tell them they should be.
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Boy I caused quite the stir. I suspect it was my comment wherein I said I will continue to pray for those missing.
My statement did not imply anything other than my well wishing for those at risk. Rotorin, I wasn't offended by your remark please spare your apologies, you owe me none. I simply found it bleak. I would rather you continued to make contributions to future threads without fear of being chewed out by other Ppruners, I'm certain your experience would bring many valuable contributions to a variety of threads.
HC: I didn't try to rope anyone into pray with me. It is simply how I instinctively send my well wishes. Please don't feel I was trying to tar you, and everyone around me with my brush.
Neville: I never mentioned my God nor "invisible friend". You did. Nor did I try to condescend you by saying "mine was better than yours". You did. Therefore your post did not address any issue previously brought up, in fact you raised one or two new discussion points yourself. So to take your own advice: perhaps it is you that needs to move your post to the blind faith forum.
My statement did not imply anything other than my well wishing for those at risk. Rotorin, I wasn't offended by your remark please spare your apologies, you owe me none. I simply found it bleak. I would rather you continued to make contributions to future threads without fear of being chewed out by other Ppruners, I'm certain your experience would bring many valuable contributions to a variety of threads.
HC: I didn't try to rope anyone into pray with me. It is simply how I instinctively send my well wishes. Please don't feel I was trying to tar you, and everyone around me with my brush.
Neville: I never mentioned my God nor "invisible friend". You did. Nor did I try to condescend you by saying "mine was better than yours". You did. Therefore your post did not address any issue previously brought up, in fact you raised one or two new discussion points yourself. So to take your own advice: perhaps it is you that needs to move your post to the blind faith forum.
