AW139 Type rating course expiration
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AW139 Type rating course expiration
I did the full initial course for the 139 in Italy 4 1/2 years ago. I quit the company just prior to the renewal 2 years later. Have not been flying anything for the past 2 years.
Now, I'm being considered for a job and I am wondering, considering that I've never done a refresher course since that initial, at what point in time does AW say it's been too long? Can the company still send me for a refresher or do I turn into a pumpkin at a given date, say 5 years after the initial?
Now, I'm being considered for a job and I am wondering, considering that I've never done a refresher course since that initial, at what point in time does AW say it's been too long? Can the company still send me for a refresher or do I turn into a pumpkin at a given date, say 5 years after the initial?
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Filthy
It's nothing to do with AW. Your type rating requirement and recency of training/qualification requirement will come from your licensing authority, and your employer will almost certainly require that as a minimum.
Just as an example - if you were flying on an EASA licence, your type rating would have expired and you would need to be assessed by an ATO and retrained as necessary before the type rating was renewed.
I hope this helps.
HH
Just as an example - if you were flying on an EASA licence, your type rating would have expired and you would need to be assessed by an ATO and retrained as necessary before the type rating was renewed.
I hope this helps.
HH
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It's not up to AW. It will depend on who issues your licence.
For example, under the new EASA rules, if your type rating has expired by up to 3 years, then it is a matter of x hours retraining followed by revalidation. (x to be determined by Head of Training and the Authority). After 3 years expiry, you will have to redo the complete TR course.
For example, under the new EASA rules, if your type rating has expired by up to 3 years, then it is a matter of x hours retraining followed by revalidation. (x to be determined by Head of Training and the Authority). After 3 years expiry, you will have to redo the complete TR course.
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not licensing issue
I think you are misunderstanding my meaning. I'm not wondering about the type rating validity for the purpose of maintaining a license. but more as a consideration for insurance company purposes. Is there a time limit when AW says you need to redo the initial course?
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No there is not.
I am sure the insurance company will have their own guidelines as to what qualification and recent experience an insured pilot must have. They all differ slightly on requirements.
I am sure the insurance company will have their own guidelines as to what qualification and recent experience an insured pilot must have. They all differ slightly on requirements.
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From: Wanaka, NZ
I think what Bob is asking is like me asking when my First Aid certificate expires...I can renew my First Aid certificate within 30 days of it expiring by doing a one day renewal course. If it is 31+ days since my certificate expired I need to do the full 3 day First Aid course. The criteria as to renew or new here is set by the training organization.
Getting back to the question, I think read it as "does Augusta require you to do a factory initial course again if it is 5 years since your initial initial without having done a refresher course in that time, or, once you have done an initial you only ever need do a refresher".
Getting back to the question, I think read it as "does Augusta require you to do a factory initial course again if it is 5 years since your initial initial without having done a refresher course in that time, or, once you have done an initial you only ever need do a refresher".
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AW's only time limits apply to the elapsed time between a ground course and the simulator/flight training.
Beyond that, they are not involved in any "expiration". That is reserved to the national authority. That includes any "recency of experience".
An insurance company may drive additional policies/requirements of the operating company as regards any recurrency criteria.
Beyond that, they are not involved in any "expiration". That is reserved to the national authority. That includes any "recency of experience".
An insurance company may drive additional policies/requirements of the operating company as regards any recurrency criteria.
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There's a learning app called Quizlet that allows you to make up flash card type quizzes to help test and retain knowledge. If you are lucky someone will already have made something up for the test, a quick search shows several for the AW139. Some of these question and answer sets are better than others, use at your own discretion.
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HLCPTR
HLCPTR, now that's mean.
You are not going to expect pilots to actually try to learn the subject matter, are you?
After all, how would they be able to complain about systems not working correctly if they don't know what they are talking about to begin with.
You are not going to expect pilots to actually try to learn the subject matter, are you?
After all, how would they be able to complain about systems not working correctly if they don't know what they are talking about to begin with.
