Bell 505 Jet Ranger X
if you look at the figures you have approx 2300 lb from empty weight to max ( 4500lb) . I think this means a 100lb pilot can take off with 2-300lb fuel with 2000lb on the hook . We shall see if many operators manage this . My guess would be around 1500lb would be the norm .
I hate to be the bearer of bad new Nigel, but I am not certain that one single manufacturer has ever been realistic in their published numbers.
Its all smoke and mirrors for the real world performance.
You can't just whip out a calculator and do some basic math and say, yup, i'm gonna lift that.
Theres alot more to consider. And in most cases it falls short on expectations.
I'm still not sure why you're so pumped for it. are you looking at production longlinging at some point? or just lifting some camping gear once in a blue moon across a river?
Its like a guy buying a ferrari and excited to put a tow bar on it so he can pull a utility trailer to the cottage.
Its all smoke and mirrors for the real world performance.
You can't just whip out a calculator and do some basic math and say, yup, i'm gonna lift that.
Theres alot more to consider. And in most cases it falls short on expectations.
I'm still not sure why you're so pumped for it. are you looking at production longlinging at some point? or just lifting some camping gear once in a blue moon across a river?
Its like a guy buying a ferrari and excited to put a tow bar on it so he can pull a utility trailer to the cottage.
Well Grey , we shall see . I don’t think your analogy is a good one at all . Maybe you should look at the other aircraft out there that can lift 8-900 kg and look at the prices . I think the 505 could find itself a very popular lifting machine if it can do say 25% less than the 350 at a price of 50% less . ( and in my experience aircraft can usually do what is in the manual and in the graphs . If mine cannot I will ask for a refund !!! )
You are a very jealous little boy Grey !!!!
and there will be no sulking ! I will sell , make a really healthy profit on the $ and look at buying a 350D2 ( think that’s the one with the 101 engine ?) and fly that instead ......or even keep my 109 and carry on with that . So not too much to sulk about .... !!
How about you ? ..
and there will be no sulking ! I will sell , make a really healthy profit on the $ and look at buying a 350D2 ( think that’s the one with the 101 engine ?) and fly that instead ......or even keep my 109 and carry on with that . So not too much to sulk about .... !!
How about you ? ..
if you look at the figures you have approx 2300 lb from empty weight to max ( 4500lb) . I think this means a 100lb pilot can take off with 2-300lb fuel with 2000lb on the hook . We shall see if many operators manage this . My guess would be around 1500lb would be the norm .
They are out there...I heard Cathay Pacific raided the local ballet schools and found some 100 lb jockeys to put in their Boeings. Although I think there were some issues with feet being able to reach the pedals.
yeah.... no.
just because there is more than one person that doesn't like a product, doesn't mean they're the same person.
If you recall, someone posted I was Nigel once because we were both online with-in a minute of each other.
Bell has and always will produce good products. But their design team needs a major refresh....
just because there is more than one person that doesn't like a product, doesn't mean they're the same person.
If you recall, someone posted I was Nigel once because we were both online with-in a minute of each other.
Bell has and always will produce good products. But their design team needs a major refresh....
Rotortech Qld
Had a good look at the 505 at Rotortech and attended the Bell talk, the figures given on maintenance and overhaul times certainly looked like a lot of thought had gone in to that area, and praise where it is due. But I was not that impressed with the aircraft in terms of design and finish, my main gripes are:
basically a bolt used as door handle
no interior head liner, with exposed nut heads in roof
pilot side door jamb, where you access the rear seating is very weak, can bend it with your hand, the other side which is normal pax entry seems ok though
collective/seat/pedal setup to get in looks like it will need a bit of dexterity in and out, but I suppose Squirell is a bit like that
horizontal stabiliser bolted on looks like an afterthought
weight pack of back of tail looks weird
While there is nothing glaringly wrong, it doesn't look like a refined and beautiful design, more like a Detroit truck. A lost opportunity maybe?
basically a bolt used as door handle
no interior head liner, with exposed nut heads in roof
pilot side door jamb, where you access the rear seating is very weak, can bend it with your hand, the other side which is normal pax entry seems ok though
collective/seat/pedal setup to get in looks like it will need a bit of dexterity in and out, but I suppose Squirell is a bit like that
horizontal stabiliser bolted on looks like an afterthought
weight pack of back of tail looks weird
While there is nothing glaringly wrong, it doesn't look like a refined and beautiful design, more like a Detroit truck. A lost opportunity maybe?
as350nut,
I share your opinions - had a close look at one at Heli Expo.
To me it seems to share the design philosophy of the Bell Ranger - 47J.
Steel tube frame anyone? Lots of screws. Seems that they took the 206L dynamics as a starting point then did everything else as cheap and nasty as possible.
With 20/20 hindsight, from an operators perspective, any helicopter model you see around with more than 20K hours in service on any one of them seems to be a benchmark. There are only a few.
I share your opinions - had a close look at one at Heli Expo.
To me it seems to share the design philosophy of the Bell Ranger - 47J.
Steel tube frame anyone? Lots of screws. Seems that they took the 206L dynamics as a starting point then did everything else as cheap and nasty as possible.
With 20/20 hindsight, from an operators perspective, any helicopter model you see around with more than 20K hours in service on any one of them seems to be a benchmark. There are only a few.
Off to Canada on Tuesday to do the acceptance flight !
trouble is that since I have had the old 109 spruced up I am beginning to have second thoughts ..... yesterday I flew from Yorkshire ( north of England ) to the isle of Wyte which is off the south coast. ( 210nm) . Wife , dogs etc autopilot and loads of luggage we cruise @145 knots , dead smooth and land 1 hr 20 later .
The 505 is a great Helicopter I believe , but it is a BMW ....the 109 is an Aston Martin .....and I am paying 4 x the price for the 505 !!!
I love the 109 ,so have decided that unless I can get a half sensible price for it I may as well keep it and sell the 505 and maybe get another one later .
It seems I would be £100k better off flying / leasing 200 hrs over the next few months and then selling it for parts . You never know it may do the next 400 hrs without a blip and I would make a load more . Maybe someone wants to build multi engine hours cheap and wants to burn up 100 hrs in a couple of weeks ?!!
trouble is that since I have had the old 109 spruced up I am beginning to have second thoughts ..... yesterday I flew from Yorkshire ( north of England ) to the isle of Wyte which is off the south coast. ( 210nm) . Wife , dogs etc autopilot and loads of luggage we cruise @145 knots , dead smooth and land 1 hr 20 later .
The 505 is a great Helicopter I believe , but it is a BMW ....the 109 is an Aston Martin .....and I am paying 4 x the price for the 505 !!!
I love the 109 ,so have decided that unless I can get a half sensible price for it I may as well keep it and sell the 505 and maybe get another one later .
It seems I would be £100k better off flying / leasing 200 hrs over the next few months and then selling it for parts . You never know it may do the next 400 hrs without a blip and I would make a load more . Maybe someone wants to build multi engine hours cheap and wants to burn up 100 hrs in a couple of weeks ?!!
Off to Canada on Tuesday to do the acceptance flight !
trouble is that since I have had the old 109 spruced up I am beginning to have second thoughts ..... yesterday I flew from Yorkshire ( north of England ) to the isle of Wyte which is off the south coast. ( 210nm) . Wife , dogs etc autopilot and loads of luggage we cruise @145 knots , dead smooth and land 1 hr 20 later .
The 505 is a great Helicopter I believe , but it is a BMW ....the 109 is an Aston Martin .....and I am paying 4 x the price for the 505 !!!
I love the 109 ,so have decided that unless I can get a half sensible price for it I may as well keep it and sell the 505 and maybe get another one later .
It seems I would be £100k better off flying / leasing 200 hrs over the next few months and then selling it for parts . You never know it may do the next 400 hrs without a blip and I would make a load more . Maybe someone wants to build multi engine hours cheap and wants to burn up 100 hrs in a couple of weeks ?!!
trouble is that since I have had the old 109 spruced up I am beginning to have second thoughts ..... yesterday I flew from Yorkshire ( north of England ) to the isle of Wyte which is off the south coast. ( 210nm) . Wife , dogs etc autopilot and loads of luggage we cruise @145 knots , dead smooth and land 1 hr 20 later .
The 505 is a great Helicopter I believe , but it is a BMW ....the 109 is an Aston Martin .....and I am paying 4 x the price for the 505 !!!
I love the 109 ,so have decided that unless I can get a half sensible price for it I may as well keep it and sell the 505 and maybe get another one later .
It seems I would be £100k better off flying / leasing 200 hrs over the next few months and then selling it for parts . You never know it may do the next 400 hrs without a blip and I would make a load more . Maybe someone wants to build multi engine hours cheap and wants to burn up 100 hrs in a couple of weeks ?!!
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Off to Canada on Tuesday to do the acceptance flight !
trouble is that since I have had the old 109 spruced up I am beginning to have second thoughts ..... yesterday I flew from Yorkshire ( north of England ) to the isle of Wyte which is off the south coast. ( 210nm) . Wife , dogs etc autopilot and loads of luggage we cruise @145 knots , dead smooth and land 1 hr 20 later .
The 505 is a great Helicopter I believe , but it is a BMW ....the 109 is an Aston Martin .....and I am paying 4 x the price for the 505 !!!
I love the 109 ,so have decided that unless I can get a half sensible price for it I may as well keep it and sell the 505 and maybe get another one later .
It seems I would be £100k better off flying / leasing 200 hrs over the next few months and then selling it for parts . You never know it may do the next 400 hrs without a blip and I would make a load more . Maybe someone wants to build multi engine hours cheap and wants to burn up 100 hrs in a couple of weeks ?!!
trouble is that since I have had the old 109 spruced up I am beginning to have second thoughts ..... yesterday I flew from Yorkshire ( north of England ) to the isle of Wyte which is off the south coast. ( 210nm) . Wife , dogs etc autopilot and loads of luggage we cruise @145 knots , dead smooth and land 1 hr 20 later .
The 505 is a great Helicopter I believe , but it is a BMW ....the 109 is an Aston Martin .....and I am paying 4 x the price for the 505 !!!
I love the 109 ,so have decided that unless I can get a half sensible price for it I may as well keep it and sell the 505 and maybe get another one later .
It seems I would be £100k better off flying / leasing 200 hrs over the next few months and then selling it for parts . You never know it may do the next 400 hrs without a blip and I would make a load more . Maybe someone wants to build multi engine hours cheap and wants to burn up 100 hrs in a couple of weeks ?!!
I am actively considering ordering a 505. I went to Namur in June to participate in a demo session and was favourably impressed although I did not find the "feel/power" to be very diffrerent from the 206 I used to fly. In other words I expected more power, but what can you tell after 10 minutes of flight, let's be serious.
I am eager to have your first impressions and your feedback, Nigel. Thank you
I tried to pm you but you need to delete some private messages as your box is full ......
Basically it is an amazing helicopter and I am sure you will do very well buying one before the price gets significantly hiked up . As I have said before , it is a 5 place L4 with a glass cockpit for 50% of the price of a new L4 based on its final price .
i believe they will appreciate in value and be cheap to run in comparison to say a 350 B2 . We flew at near max weight with high temperatures and we climbed out quick with loads to spare . Top speed in cruise was 128 knots but 120 knots felt
gentler . Tail rotor authority was very good and the ride was incredibly smooth . Go and buy one !!!!
if you want to fly mine it will be here and ready to fly by the end of the month ....
Basically it is an amazing helicopter and I am sure you will do very well buying one before the price gets significantly hiked up . As I have said before , it is a 5 place L4 with a glass cockpit for 50% of the price of a new L4 based on its final price .
i believe they will appreciate in value and be cheap to run in comparison to say a 350 B2 . We flew at near max weight with high temperatures and we climbed out quick with loads to spare . Top speed in cruise was 128 knots but 120 knots felt
gentler . Tail rotor authority was very good and the ride was incredibly smooth . Go and buy one !!!!
if you want to fly mine it will be here and ready to fly by the end of the month ....