CHC Probs With UK SAR 92's Leaving For Irish SAR?

[Pink Panther]

I have to say, as an outsider looking in. To get three bases operational in the remaining time line ( 1st June-31st Dec 2013, not including the current slippage), does indeed look like a very big ask.

[Hiduly Damper]

MTB,
Do you know the actual reason for the delay? Tell me this, if a UK ITAR licenced aircraft cannot be used in the ROI do you suppose an ROI ITAR licenced aircraft could be used in the UK? And considering the aircraft had to be in the UK until the end of May when do you think the ROI licence application could be lodged? And tell me this how long do you think it takes to get an ITAR licence? Just because you, without any facts decides something is embarrassing doesn't make it so.

Also, as you don't have the facts, the only 2 contractual dates where 1st July 2012 for Shannon and 31st Dec 2013 for the last base, Dublin. What happens in between doesn't attract any penalties.

Any other half truths you would like cleared up.

PP,
With Sligo running in July that only leaves 2 bases to transition over 6 months with an increasing fleet available for training. Bearing in mind that most of the Waterford crew are already trained and Dublin about to start its conversion its very do-able, tight but do-able.

[Pink Panther]

Reading this thread was it not the case 2 sets of flight crew, inc engineers were sent up north to pickup the helo's, only to find they couldn't because paperwork was not in order ?

[Hiduly Damper]

Correct and right but that was lack of communication between three different sections of the company the paperwork was what the paperwork was. A balls up yes but hardly the contract killer that MTB pontificated about.

[mechanicalapple]

Getting ready for paint!

[sonas]

Teddies out of the pram

I've seen on another site that the page from the Shannon base has been silenced by someone. Same pic as the one above so some poor burger will be getting slapped knuckles for breaching company policy. Defo management kicking about here!

[Pink Panther]

This thread is getting interesting. Obviously somebody is not enjoying the social media thingy at the mo. Looks like the only IRCG SAR helo Facebook page left standing now is........... R-117.

[500 Fan]

Even if the S-92 is late entering service here, the Irish government (I use the term loosely!) will do nothing about it. The clowns in Dail Eireann are too busy slinging mud at each other. Given the state of the country at the moment, the late arrival of these helicopters is the least of our problems.

Besides, they can hang onto the S-61N for as long as they like, it is much quieter!

500 Fan.

[comforteater]

HD, there is little point in you coming on here and trying to play down the ITAR delay as a non event. This delay has only served to make already tight deadlines tighter. For whatever reason, paperwork not being submitted on time or manpower issues at a US State Dept., the moment the customer had to lobby the US Ambassador in Ireland to help speed things up, the situation was outside of the management teams' control.
PP is correct, getting 3 bases online before December 31st is hugely ambitious and with plenty more hurdles to clear before then maybe you should put your showboating on hold until the 1st of Jan 2014.

[Hiduly Damper]

Good man MTB, wrong again
No Im not in management or a legal eagle just one of the other 100+ poor soles dependent on this contract succeeding. Plus it wasn't my paranoia antenna going off, it was my BS detector
As for being upset at the use of a single word in a thread I have a little more cop on then that. However, what does 'upset' me is an individual who cannot see the difference between his animosity at a couple of individuals in management and an entire company that puts food on the table for a lot of people.

Now as for this thing of 3 bases in 7 months its not. Sligo is pretty much 100% complete so a more accurate figure is 2 bases in 6 months. The fact that there arent aircraft sitting on bases also doesnt reflect the true situation. Facilities are already in place from the 61, Engineer training is almost 100% complete, Rear crew training is almost 100% complete and pilot training is 100% complete in Shannon and Sligo about 70-80% complete in Waterford and about to commence in Dublin. Considering that all pilot training to date has been completed on one base and with one aircraft and now there are 3, soon to be 5 aircraft the conversion rate will accelerate.
So is 6 months tight for 2 bases that already have most of the long lead items in place, not really. Is it a risk if their is a SIGNIFICANT delay, yes of course it is but this little episode certainly isnt a game changer in any respect and hence not significant bar to those who want to ham it up.

PS Sonas, as your so quick to post about the 115 Facebook page I presume you'll be happy to recheck their Facebook page and clarify for everybody, right?

[sonas]

HD I stand corrected

Rescue 115 Official


Sorry for the confusion, but no ban has been put on us, we are currently reviewing our administrators. Posts will continue.

Sonas

[EAGLESDARE]

Great shot with the Coke bottle, brings me back to the old Coke add "I'd like to teach the world to sing in peace and harmonyeeeee", hopefully it's all ahead of you in CHC Ireland. Over here the MCA audit the bases and operations the same occurs on start up bases to ensure contract compliance. I hope the Irish MCA does the same and puts the brakes on a little if required, it tends to take the commerciality ( MTB earlier post 20% return, nice contract return) out of the situation as its in everybody's interest that people come home to their families.

[Hiduly Damper]

Rest easy EAGLESDARE, the Irish Coastguard also conduct audits prior to all base starts and I believe its also the same company that do the MCA audits.

Ahh, thanks MBT, your concern for all the crews and their kids is gratefully appreciated.

[Rescue1]

Hiduly Damper

Considering that all pilot training to date has been completed on one base and with one aircraft

So there were NO Irish Pilots trained on the 92's in Stornoway and Sumburgh then

R1

[comforteater]

Hiduly Damper

You've certainly posted a few half truth's here!!

Also, as you don't have the facts, the only 2 contractual dates where 1st July 2012 for Shannon and 31st Dec 2013 for the last base, Dublin. What happens in between doesn't attract any penalties.

Any other half truths you would like cleared up.

I stand to be corrected here, but I thought that all four bases were to be online with S92's by the 1st July 2013, originally. I find it inconceivable that the Irish Coast Guard would not penalise CHC for failing to reach such an obvious contractual milestone.
I wouldn't be surprised if the ICG were hitting CHC with a substantial penalty on every base that's not up and running with a 92 after the 1st of July. Would this explain the scramble to get the Sligo base up and running by then?

[Rotorbike]

comforteater, you are wrong.

[comforteater]

Thanks for clearing that up!!

[Hiduly Damper]

Rescue 1,
Apologies you are correct. A number of pilots and crew trained on the Scottish bases and some have since spent a number of months there on shifts. That said I think you would agree that the vast majority of the training burden has fallen to a single airframe, a situation that additional airframes can only improve.

Comforteater,
Thanks for showing that you don't really know the situation on the ground.

[comforteater]

Hiduly Damper
Why don't you enlighten me about the "situation on the ground"?

[Hiduly Damper]

I already did, you called it a half truth and Rotorbike corrected you.