BBC reporting 6 helicopters at M62 mini bus crash scene?
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BBC reporting 6 helicopters at M62 mini bus crash scene?
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Fatalities feared as 19 injured in crash on M62
West Yorkshire Police said 19 people from the minibus were injured, six of them serious
There are unconfirmed reports of fatalities in a crash on the M62 in West Yorkshire which has injured 19 people, six of them seriously.
Emergency services and hospitals have declared a major incident following the collision between a lorry, a car and a minibus shortly after 11:00 BST.
West Yorkshire Police said the 19 people were in a mini bus which was in collision with a lorry and a car.
The driver of the lorry has been arrested, police confirmed.
Six helicopters
Yorkshire Ambulance Service said it had put major incident procedures in place following the collision on the westbound carriageway near junction 32.
Karl Milner, the executive director of Leeds Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust, tweeted: "[Leeds General Infirmary] major trauma centre put on alert following pile up on M62 near Castleford".
The North West and Great North air ambulances are among emergency crews at the scene.
At one stage six helicopters were ferrying the injured from the scene.
A spokesman for the Yorkshire Ambulance Service NHS Trust said: "Ambulance clinicians are providing treatment at the scene and are working closely with their emergency service colleagues.
"At this time the number of patients is unknown."
Motorists have been urged to use the M18 or M1 instead. The carriageway is not expected to reopen until 18:00 BST.
One man who was stuck in traffic on the motorway tweeted: "Nine ambulances 4 fire engines and god knows how many police cars have gone past."
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Fatalities feared as 19 injured in crash on M62
West Yorkshire Police said 19 people from the minibus were injured, six of them serious
There are unconfirmed reports of fatalities in a crash on the M62 in West Yorkshire which has injured 19 people, six of them seriously.
Emergency services and hospitals have declared a major incident following the collision between a lorry, a car and a minibus shortly after 11:00 BST.
West Yorkshire Police said the 19 people were in a mini bus which was in collision with a lorry and a car.
The driver of the lorry has been arrested, police confirmed.
Six helicopters
Yorkshire Ambulance Service said it had put major incident procedures in place following the collision on the westbound carriageway near junction 32.
Karl Milner, the executive director of Leeds Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust, tweeted: "[Leeds General Infirmary] major trauma centre put on alert following pile up on M62 near Castleford".
The North West and Great North air ambulances are among emergency crews at the scene.
At one stage six helicopters were ferrying the injured from the scene.
A spokesman for the Yorkshire Ambulance Service NHS Trust said: "Ambulance clinicians are providing treatment at the scene and are working closely with their emergency service colleagues.
"At this time the number of patients is unknown."
Motorists have been urged to use the M18 or M1 instead. The carriageway is not expected to reopen until 18:00 BST.
One man who was stuck in traffic on the motorway tweeted: "Nine ambulances 4 fire engines and god knows how many police cars have gone past."
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It may be 5 not 6 - the Independent thinks Lincs & Notts are two aircraft. But then they don't mention Yorkshire Air Ambulance specifically.. on this page they say
Two from North West in photo below from the story on the Mail website
Kevin Hodgson, director of operations at Great North Air Ambulance, said they had sent two air ambulances, which were joined by two from North West Air Ambulance and another two from Lincolnshire and Nottinghamshire Air Ambulance.
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I was stuck at the far end of the jam from Manchester. Motorway was solid by Ikea
I diverted past Garforth. The old A1 / A63 was jammed by diverting traffic.
Local radio confirmed six air ambulance.
Two from yorkshire. Two from notts and two from Northwest air ambulance
I diverted past Garforth. The old A1 / A63 was jammed by diverting traffic.
Local radio confirmed six air ambulance.
Two from yorkshire. Two from notts and two from Northwest air ambulance
Lincs & Notts only have one helicopter and confirmed they were there
Great North also confirmed two
North West - see photo above
Not saying Yorkshire were not there, but their PR machine is behind the curve if they were....
Great North also confirmed two
North West - see photo above
Not saying Yorkshire were not there, but their PR machine is behind the curve if they were....
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There were 2x dauphin, 2x135, 2x109 and a rozzer 902. Seven in total
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Just curious....
The photo shows the aircraft on what looks like a relatively narrow grass verge.
I would have thought that it would be preferable to let down onto the road where the surface conditions are easier to see and there is probably less risk from FOD.
I guess behind the barrier is better protected from vehicles but I just wondered if there are there other reasons that don't come to my mind.
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The photo shows the aircraft on what looks like a relatively narrow grass verge.
I would have thought that it would be preferable to let down onto the road where the surface conditions are easier to see and there is probably less risk from FOD.
I guess behind the barrier is better protected from vehicles but I just wondered if there are there other reasons that don't come to my mind.
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I would have thought that it would be preferable to let down onto the road where the surface conditions are easier to see and there is probably less risk from FOD.
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I can't help but wonder why Leconfield's Sea King was not used. Surely this incident deprived a lot of areas of their air ambulances, which might be seen as a bit unnecessary when a large aircraft with room for multiple cas was around 20 min flying time away. Thoughts?
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That would deprive an area of its search and rescue helicopter.
This is what we do, we also help each other in times of great need. If a job had come in at home, we would assess whether to send one back.
This is what we do, we also help each other in times of great need. If a job had come in at home, we would assess whether to send one back.
That would deprive an area of its search and rescue helicopter.
This is what we do
It would be a perfect platform for a job like this that involves multiple casualties but that would involve the air ambulance dispatchers asking for help which is very rare these days.
Why use one or 2 helicopters when you can use 6?
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SAR Bloke - and where would you take all those casualties in your SK? Do you think that maybe rather than dropping them all on one hospital's lap it may just be smarter to spread them around at the various trauma units in the region so no one department gets overwhelmed?
And would you just sit there in your SK waiting until all six / seven casualties had been extracted from the minibus before taking them off to your hospital of choice? Not really the best approach for people requiring urgent treatment is it?
Multiple helicopters means that the casualties can be flown out as soon as they are extracted and stabilised, to a suitable hospital which has capacity to handle them at that time.
I'm sure that if the other AAs were unavailable, Lec would have got a call. As it is, the situation was handled very competently by YAS and no assistance was required. If the minibus had crashed at sea, in the mountains or at night I'm sure you boys would have been called. It didn't, you weren't.
And would you just sit there in your SK waiting until all six / seven casualties had been extracted from the minibus before taking them off to your hospital of choice? Not really the best approach for people requiring urgent treatment is it?
Multiple helicopters means that the casualties can be flown out as soon as they are extracted and stabilised, to a suitable hospital which has capacity to handle them at that time.
I'm sure that if the other AAs were unavailable, Lec would have got a call. As it is, the situation was handled very competently by YAS and no assistance was required. If the minibus had crashed at sea, in the mountains or at night I'm sure you boys would have been called. It didn't, you weren't.
If the minibus had crashed at sea, in the mountains or at night I'm sure you boys would have been called. It didn't, you weren't
A helicopter has never treated a patient. It carries people and equipment that may treat patients. The amount of equipment in a HEMS aircraft is greater than in a SAR helicopter.
Horses for courses.
In fact with a major incident HEMS role is primarily to deliver medical staff if they cannot travel by road - don't know if that applies here - and possibly to extract specific patients such as head injured patients who need to go to a regional neurosurgical centre as opposed to the receiving centre.
Using multiple receiving hospitals sounds good but with this number of casualties is often unnecessary and indeed disruptive to the NHS such that it is contraindicated.
I suspect the controllers played safe ( possibly over reacted
) at the initial call as the number of casualties and the injuries didn't justify this response. Of course HEMS is free to the ambulance services
Horses for courses.
In fact with a major incident HEMS role is primarily to deliver medical staff if they cannot travel by road - don't know if that applies here - and possibly to extract specific patients such as head injured patients who need to go to a regional neurosurgical centre as opposed to the receiving centre.
Using multiple receiving hospitals sounds good but with this number of casualties is often unnecessary and indeed disruptive to the NHS such that it is contraindicated.
I suspect the controllers played safe ( possibly over reacted
) at the initial call as the number of casualties and the injuries didn't justify this response. Of course HEMS is free to the ambulance services
The amount of equipment in a HEMS aircraft is greater than in a SAR helicopter.
Also I'd like to add that my previous post was intentionally flippant in response to Flaxton Flyer's post and not what I actually think. It's just exceptionally frustrating when you have an aircraft and crew (often with a fully trained and civilian registered paramedic) on call and you're not asked to help out when an incident like this occurs in your area.
SAR Bloke - A doctor (often useful for RSIs!), morphine, ketamine, autopulse CPR machine might be a few regular additions to HEMS over SAR?
Can a SeaKing land at LGI? (genuine question as I'm unsure).
Homonculus - not really an over reaction given the number of casualties (25!) Ambulances are also generally restricted to take the patient to the nearest centre for treatment (so they are freed up). Air Ambulances have the benefit of being able to choose the most appropriate centre (and in this case help spread the work around so as many patients get access to the best treatment instead of lining the corridor of one hospital waiting for a rather manic theatre crew to work through them all.
Serious bus/coach accidents are often renowned for serious injuries as passengers seldom wear seatbelts and quickly become exposed to sharp metal, broken glass and tarmac at speeds up to 60mph. Not nice.
SAR = Search And Rescue
HEMS = Helicopter Emergency Medical Service
They knew where the bus was...
Can a SeaKing land at LGI? (genuine question as I'm unsure).
Homonculus - not really an over reaction given the number of casualties (25!) Ambulances are also generally restricted to take the patient to the nearest centre for treatment (so they are freed up). Air Ambulances have the benefit of being able to choose the most appropriate centre (and in this case help spread the work around so as many patients get access to the best treatment instead of lining the corridor of one hospital waiting for a rather manic theatre crew to work through them all.
Serious bus/coach accidents are often renowned for serious injuries as passengers seldom wear seatbelts and quickly become exposed to sharp metal, broken glass and tarmac at speeds up to 60mph. Not nice.
SAR = Search And Rescue
HEMS = Helicopter Emergency Medical Service
They knew where the bus was...