Ch 10 chopper crash, Perth
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Crab- agree though my point is more aerodynamic related and the point you rightly make is lack of basic skills. One would hope that any low timer out there reading up on LTE knows there are many ways to enter it. Mostly due to pilots fixating on the task and not flying to airspeed. The LTE that kills is the one you thought you had covered. Clear sky light wind, camera guy you worked with before and all of a sudden the world is spinning. The weather vane effect, low speed high DA / AUW and pilot input all make up for tail rotor effectiveness issues though as a pilot should be acutely aware of all of those. The pilot induced right pedal turn is not something that is covered and that is the crunch. Push the pedal and chance it. Once the tail rotor vorticy enters the main rotor vorticy it may as well not be producing any thrust. Under the right conditions the helicopter will rotate at an alarming speed entering into full blown LTE the horizon will drop and then rise. Pilot disorientation will ensu as the pedals can have no noticeable effect. All the other ways to enter LTE are usually mismanagement of several poor piloting techniques put together to induce the spin. Too low too slow out of wind too high too heavy. Lets reiterate. 100 hours or 10000 push the right pedal in a level right turn with relative wind 8 to 15 knots and your Looking for trouble. Filming in a valley with hills all around and no way of knowing the winds true direction is a classic. Airspeed and altitude is our friend. Keep the ball in the middle airspeed above 40 kts and descend or climb if you want to use right pedal to turn right. Safe flying
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Let's not forget that one of those Channel 10 accidents was caused by trying to fly the disabled 206 out of the street next door and in to the Channel 10 helipad.
All of course filmed by 7 and 9 news
All of course filmed by 7 and 9 news
Let's not forget that one of those Channel 10 accidents was caused by trying to fly the disabled 206 out of the street next door and in to the Channel 10 helipad.
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From memory both prangs happened only a few months apart, probably 1992-ish. The one that ran out of fuel was -AZH and the one that landed in the street, took off again and pranged was -AZN.
Yeah, maybe 1991 but it was of that era. Two different pilots were involved, and unfortunately for Great Northern Helicopters they never recovered. -AZH was rebuilt in New Zealand but was later sold, eventually finding its demise some years later slinging water out of a dam over east somewhere. And -AZN was also rebuilt but I can't remember what happened to it.
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Here is VH-AZH
I remember is arriving back at Jandakot in a box.
Colin who owned Great Northern was a lovely guy and a great instructor.
However for some strange reason he never was interested in flying the Channel 10 and Channel 2 contracts he had although he was happy to fly the Abrolohos Island fishing charters every year.
I did my helicopter conversion with him and have fond memories of those days.
He wanted to sell the operation and I was tempted but there was too much competition from the likes of West Coast in those days.
The pilot who ended up crashing at Channel 10 was a part timer who was a video tape editor.....at Channel 10
I remember is arriving back at Jandakot in a box.
Colin who owned Great Northern was a lovely guy and a great instructor.
However for some strange reason he never was interested in flying the Channel 10 and Channel 2 contracts he had although he was happy to fly the Abrolohos Island fishing charters every year.
I did my helicopter conversion with him and have fond memories of those days.
He wanted to sell the operation and I was tempted but there was too much competition from the likes of West Coast in those days.
The pilot who ended up crashing at Channel 10 was a part timer who was a video tape editor.....at Channel 10
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Actually it arrived in Bankstown in a box, it was re-assembled there and ferried over to Perth via Ceduna and Kalgoorlie.
There was no money to be made flying it for Ch10, far more lucrative flying cashed up cray fishermen and their families out to the Abrolhos for 4 months of the year, and the occassional AMSA lighthouse job and other adhoc work.
There was no money to be made flying it for Ch10, far more lucrative flying cashed up cray fishermen and their families out to the Abrolhos for 4 months of the year, and the occassional AMSA lighthouse job and other adhoc work.
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Des who flew the Channel 10 contract used to have a habit of coming back to Jandakot for a coffee and a pee but leave the 206 with the rotors idling for 20 minutes unattended on the ground. (We are talking early 1990's)
Colin reckoned it was easier and cheaper than doing a shutdown and restart.
Anyone know where Colin is now? And Des who was from Singapore?
Colin reckoned it was easier and cheaper than doing a shutdown and restart.
Anyone know where Colin is now? And Des who was from Singapore?
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Mmmmmm. A bit like the old seismic survey days in NZ. Cheap hourly rate, but one guy wandered out and started 4 500's at 6am, then went back inside for breakfast. An hour or so later all the pilots went out, refueled and started for the day...
They didn't shut down for at least 12 hrs, which was the only way to make money at the cheap hourly rates charged, even tho some machines might not have flown at all for the day!
They didn't shut down for at least 12 hrs, which was the only way to make money at the cheap hourly rates charged, even tho some machines might not have flown at all for the day!
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The big problem in Perth is Channel 2 (ABC) 7 9 and 10 are all chasing non existing stories to fill space on the evening news.
So it's fires and car accidents etc.
Perth is the most remote city on the planet. Not much happens but Parkinsons law says work expands to fill time.
In my days there West Coast pretty much had the chopper trade wrapped up and Colin and Gt Northern Helicopters could not compete even though they had the ABC and Channel 10 contracts.
I did my test with the chief pilot of Channel 7 in 1990. Anyone know where he is now?
So it's fires and car accidents etc.
Perth is the most remote city on the planet. Not much happens but Parkinsons law says work expands to fill time.
In my days there West Coast pretty much had the chopper trade wrapped up and Colin and Gt Northern Helicopters could not compete even though they had the ABC and Channel 10 contracts.
I did my test with the chief pilot of Channel 7 in 1990. Anyone know where he is now?
