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GF -
Where did you get that quote you'd cited ?
It doesn't match the text from that link you posted,
nor what was supposedly said by whom.
Quote:
British Helicopter Association CEO Peter Norton has said that the January 16 accident in which an AgustaWestland A109E crashed in central London had “severely damaged” the reputation of the industry, which now needs to restore public confidence.
Norton said that pilots can easily find themselves under financial pressure to proceed with a flight in challenging conditions and that there is anecdotal evidence of over-confidence among some flight crew. “It is now time to review ad hoc charter operations to ensure safety without additional regulation because over-regulation might result in an increase in illegal public-transport operations.”
British Helicopter Association CEO Peter Norton has said that the January 16 accident in which an AgustaWestland A109E crashed in central London had “severely damaged” the reputation of the industry, which now needs to restore public confidence.
Norton said that pilots can easily find themselves under financial pressure to proceed with a flight in challenging conditions and that there is anecdotal evidence of over-confidence among some flight crew. “It is now time to review ad hoc charter operations to ensure safety without additional regulation because over-regulation might result in an increase in illegal public-transport operations.”
Seems like Peter Norton has the accident fully sussed. Perhaps the AAIB report will make similar remarks?
BHA CEO comments on January 16th Helicopter Crash
BHA CEO comments on January 16th Helicopter Crash
Where did you get that quote you'd cited ?
It doesn't match the text from that link you posted,
nor what was supposedly said by whom.
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Hi Folks
They're not currently. 
Text the article currently contains -
What GF posted, infering the text to be a quote of the article -
Sorry to appear pedantic
"Acknowledging" is not the same as having "said".
Such mis-attributions can have reputationally damaging consequences.
Entirely hypothetically -
taking an extreme perspective,
a fictional conversation could run as follows -
Journalist - I've heard it said - That you are a bunch of cocky barstewards, just in it for the money, who'll fly in any conditions.
Respondent - Thats anecdotal.
Hypothetically, you could extrapolate that acknowledgement
into the text contained in the original article.
My point was
a "quote" is no longer a valid "quote"
if its been selectively edited / rewritten to match some POV.
check the artical again they are all in there, not all in the the same para.
Text the article currently contains -
Acknowledging that pilots can easily find themselves under financial pressure to proceed with a flight in challenging conditions, Norton said that there is anecdotal evidence of over-confidence among some flight crew.
Norton said that pilots can easily find themselves under financial pressure to proceed with a flight in challenging conditions and that there is anecdotal evidence of over-confidence among some flight crew.
Sorry to appear pedantic
"Acknowledging" is not the same as having "said".
Such mis-attributions can have reputationally damaging consequences.
Entirely hypothetically -
taking an extreme perspective,
a fictional conversation could run as follows -
Journalist - I've heard it said - That you are a bunch of cocky barstewards, just in it for the money, who'll fly in any conditions.
Respondent - Thats anecdotal.
Hypothetically, you could extrapolate that acknowledgement
into the text contained in the original article.
My point was
a "quote" is no longer a valid "quote"
if its been selectively edited / rewritten to match some POV.
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BAsys - you really are a plonker of the very first order aren't you!
Does it require someone to take your finger and place it like a child over each sentence to help you read it through in order that you might understand??
Your aspersion (in your last post) is total tripe!
You seem unable to distinguish between the tabloid-trash-culture of taking comments out of context and that of compiling a flowing edit (such as I posted) which places the salient and connected comments together.
The article was also posted to provide the original source.
Tomo seems to have understand it well enough.
What a
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Does it require someone to take your finger and place it like a child over each sentence to help you read it through in order that you might understand??
Your aspersion (in your last post) is total tripe!
You seem unable to distinguish between the tabloid-trash-culture of taking comments out of context and that of compiling a flowing edit (such as I posted) which places the salient and connected comments together.
The article was also posted to provide the original source.
Tomo seems to have understand it well enough.
What a
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Hi Folks
GF -
Maybe we're talking at cross purposes,
or I'm being a little slow.
I can see nothing, either stated or inferred,
which'd enable me to draw a similar conclusion, or proposition,
to those which you'd made previously -
If anything,
I read the gist of the comments in the article
as being a POV proposing maintaining the status quo.
Was that what you were inferring ?
British Helicopter Association CEO Peter Norton has urged UK authorities to abandon plans for new restrictions on rotorcraft operations over urban areas following the January 16 accident in which an AgustaWestland A109 Power crashed in central London. The crash prompted British Prime Minister David Cameron to order a review of helicopter operating rules, and an Air Accidents Investigation Branch inquiry is in progress.
Norton told attendees at the Rotary Operations Conference in London yesterday that the accident “severely damaged” the reputation of the industry, which now needs to restore public confidence. But he insisted that proposed new restrictions on VFR operations are not necessary and could have a damaging effect on an industry that has been hit hard by the UK’s recession in recent years.
“We need to examine our operational and managerial conduct to convince the authorities that we are safe,” he said. On this note, Norton is pushing for more helicopter operators to register for the International Standards for Business Aircraft Operations standards.
Acknowledging that pilots can easily find themselves under financial pressure to proceed with a flight in challenging conditions, Norton said that there is anecdotal evidence of over-confidence among some flight crew. “It is now time to review ad hoc charter operations to ensure safety without additional regulation because over-regulation might result in an increase in illegal public-transport operations.”
Norton told attendees at the Rotary Operations Conference in London yesterday that the accident “severely damaged” the reputation of the industry, which now needs to restore public confidence. But he insisted that proposed new restrictions on VFR operations are not necessary and could have a damaging effect on an industry that has been hit hard by the UK’s recession in recent years.
“We need to examine our operational and managerial conduct to convince the authorities that we are safe,” he said. On this note, Norton is pushing for more helicopter operators to register for the International Standards for Business Aircraft Operations standards.
Acknowledging that pilots can easily find themselves under financial pressure to proceed with a flight in challenging conditions, Norton said that there is anecdotal evidence of over-confidence among some flight crew. “It is now time to review ad hoc charter operations to ensure safety without additional regulation because over-regulation might result in an increase in illegal public-transport operations.”
Maybe we're talking at cross purposes,
or I'm being a little slow.
I can see nothing, either stated or inferred,
which'd enable me to draw a similar conclusion, or proposition,
to those which you'd made previously -
Seems like Peter Norton has the accident fully sussed. Perhaps the AAIB report will make similar remarks?
If anything,
I read the gist of the comments in the article
as being a POV proposing maintaining the status quo.
Was that what you were inferring ?
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Bas - you have my sympathy in that you seem to be having such difficulty in perceiving the gist of my post but understanding my point of view is not the issue you raised.
The issue which you raised was one of how the comments reported in an article were presented and which concern has now lead to pointless additional posts about quotations and their validity, in turn creating something of a petty (and irrelevant) debate on a thread which deals with a topic of some gravity.
For me this is enough said on the matter. I'm sorry you don't get it.
The issue which you raised was one of how the comments reported in an article were presented and which concern has now lead to pointless additional posts about quotations and their validity, in turn creating something of a petty (and irrelevant) debate on a thread which deals with a topic of some gravity.
For me this is enough said on the matter. I'm sorry you don't get it.
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In anticipation of the AAIB Report this thread is now closed. Any discussion of the report should be on a new thread.
