Helicopter - v - crane LONDON
The crane has no red lights on it, although the building to which it is attached does.
Whilst not wishing to speculate about whether this might have had any bearing on the accident, does anyone know what the regulations are for lighting of such a structure? It stands proud of the top of the building by a small distance.
Whilst not wishing to speculate about whether this might have had any bearing on the accident, does anyone know what the regulations are for lighting of such a structure? It stands proud of the top of the building by a small distance.
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Well you're in luck because all the media are threatening to drag in their "aviation experts" 
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11 casualties, 2 fatal, 1 critical.
Heli diverting to BAT (perhaps due wx).
Someone mentioned a registration earlier. Owned by CA but leased to RM?
.11 casualties, 2 fatal, 1 critical.
Heli diverting to BAT (perhaps due wx).
Someone mentioned a registration earlier. Owned by CA but leased to RM?
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Can I please ask - something like a crane does this appear on any NOTAMS?
Next question - is there a type of GPS that can show relevant NOTAMS like temporary control zones or obstructions or is there a website pilots can go to where all relevant NOTAMS are shown on a map covering the area they are interested in?
And another question - if there was a low flying helicopter coming into the London heliport in bad weather would the control tower at the heliport be required to mention the NOTAM or are they not required to say anything to pilots?
Next question - is there a type of GPS that can show relevant NOTAMS like temporary control zones or obstructions or is there a website pilots can go to where all relevant NOTAMS are shown on a map covering the area they are interested in?
And another question - if there was a low flying helicopter coming into the London heliport in bad weather would the control tower at the heliport be required to mention the NOTAM or are they not required to say anything to pilots?
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Here is the NOTAM - it appears to be lit at night
From AIS site
Here is the NOTAM - it appears to be lit at night
Q) EGTT/QOBCE/IV/M/AE/000/008/5129N00007W001
A) EGLW B) FROM: 13/01/07 17:00C) TO: 13/03/15 23:59
E) HIGH RISE JIB CRANE (LIT AT NIGHT) OPR WI 1NM 5129N 00007W, HGT
770FT AMSL (VAUXHALL, CENTRAL LONDON), OPS CTC
12-10-0429/AS 2.
A) EGLW B) FROM: 13/01/07 17:00C) TO: 13/03/15 23:59
E) HIGH RISE JIB CRANE (LIT AT NIGHT) OPR WI 1NM 5129N 00007W, HGT
770FT AMSL (VAUXHALL, CENTRAL LONDON), OPS CTC
12-10-0429/AS 2.
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Next question - is there a type of GPS that can show relevant NOTAMS like temporary control zones or obstructions or is there a website pilots can go to where all relevant NOTAMS are shown on a map covering the area they are interested in?
And another question - if there was a low flying helicopter coming into the London heliport in bad weather would the control tower at the heliport be required to mention the NOTAM or are they not required to say anything to pilots?
Terrible tragedy and it's bound to have implications on many levels.
HeliStudent - Yes - Cranes are NOTAMd and displayed on SkyDemon etc., but if the Crane is NOTAMd or not seems not to be the point if there's a substantial building right next to it.
When you look at the display of Skydemon (and other GPS) you wouldn't be able to use it to stay centrally over the Thames at 90Kt. as the resolution is too low.
I'm sure there's loads of speculation about the cause (it may not be related to the visibility or location of the crane) but IF the flight was being conducted SVFR then conditions should have been appropriate to see buildings - and I'm not speculating if it was or wasnt, unlike Sky and everyone else !
HeliStudent - Yes - Cranes are NOTAMd and displayed on SkyDemon etc., but if the Crane is NOTAMd or not seems not to be the point if there's a substantial building right next to it.
When you look at the display of Skydemon (and other GPS) you wouldn't be able to use it to stay centrally over the Thames at 90Kt. as the resolution is too low.
I'm sure there's loads of speculation about the cause (it may not be related to the visibility or location of the crane) but IF the flight was being conducted SVFR then conditions should have been appropriate to see buildings - and I'm not speculating if it was or wasnt, unlike Sky and everyone else !
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Aucky and chopperchappie thank you very much.
But can I ask you, if you were a control tower officer on duty with light traffic and you had a helicopter coming into your heliport in bad weather and if you didn't have much else to do because of low traffic levels, would you remind the pilot of the obstruction?
And finally, does the heliport have a radar, what I am asking is would they have been able to see the AW109 tracking towards the crane?
But can I ask you, if you were a control tower officer on duty with light traffic and you had a helicopter coming into your heliport in bad weather and if you didn't have much else to do because of low traffic levels, would you remind the pilot of the obstruction?
And finally, does the heliport have a radar, what I am asking is would they have been able to see the AW109 tracking towards the crane?
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Wish BBC would stop banging on about the effing nav lights!
Now they are asking residents about helicopter procedures........tv now off.
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Now they are asking residents about helicopter procedures........tv now off.
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Sky now speculating that maybe crane swayed into path of helicopter - where do they get these guys?!
But can I ask you, if you were a control tower officer on duty with light traffic and you had a helicopter coming into your heliport in bad weather and if you didn't have much else to do because of low traffic levels, would you remind the pilot of the obstruction?
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That is what I would do but I also wanted to know if the heliport has radar and could see the AW109 approaching the crane?
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Sky now speculating that maybe crane swayed into path of helicopter -
They also said that the crane operator was very lucky not to be involved as he was late for work this morning, so the crane must have started work without him.
They also said that the crane operator was very lucky not to be involved as he was late for work this morning, so the crane must have started work without him.
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