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Surprised that I haven't seen anything about why the Gamekeeper, Mr Kincade, assumed that M's name was Emma. Polite assumption I guess, a nice touch of old fashioned courtesy and respect.
Unless of course they 'had history'
I reckon she'll be back in 'Die Another Dame'
Unless of course they 'had history'
I reckon she'll be back in 'Die Another Dame'
A good film, but not great IMO. A concoction of scenes from various films: Bourne, Batman, I even had 'Home Alone' and 'Hagrid' flashbacks during the Skyfall scenes and the 'Silence of the Lambs' glass cell would have worked if it was a bit more tongue in cheek 
Maybe I'm getting old too, but going from dusk to midnight in 3 seconds? And why didn't Bond shoot the baddies with his machine gun as they walked from the Merlin towards Skyfall? Why did Kincaid and M use a zillion candle power torch to get to the chapel when they knew Silva was after them?!
Anyway, Craig is the best Bond since Connery (apparently, he's already signed up for two more) and although I miss the gadgets (only a PLB?!) and the corny seduction scenes, I'd still recommend it. Maybe more helicopters in the next one
Maybe I'm getting old too, but going from dusk to midnight in 3 seconds? And why didn't Bond shoot the baddies with his machine gun as they walked from the Merlin towards Skyfall? Why did Kincaid and M use a zillion candle power torch to get to the chapel when they knew Silva was after them?!
Anyway, Craig is the best Bond since Connery (apparently, he's already signed up for two more) and although I miss the gadgets (only a PLB?!) and the corny seduction scenes, I'd still recommend it. Maybe more helicopters in the next one
why didn't Bond shoot the baddies with his machine gun as they walked from the Merlin towards Skyfall?
Personally think Craig is better than Connery was, but I won't put that in print as it's heresy. Everyone knows Roger Moore was the best Bond anyway.
TC, if you found the Bourne film better, you would really like the first one of the Bourne "trilogy": It's the same film but with the original actors.
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TC, if you found the Bourne film better, you would really like the first one of the Bourne "trilogy": It's the same film but with the original actors.
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Well... let´s see the facts:
So, Daniel is a drunk, Pierce is a serial killer and Sean and Roger are on a epic struggle to see wich one gets more ladies. Makes sense!
Cheers,
So, Daniel is a drunk, Pierce is a serial killer and Sean and Roger are on a epic struggle to see wich one gets more ladies. Makes sense!
Cheers,
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Surely the best line was from 'M' after JB said he would have to stay the night in a hotel; ......
....."Well you're not staying here!"
....."Well you're not staying here!"
Why, oh why, do the sound people insist on using the sound track of a Huey over the real sound of a multi-blade helicopter???
The original Bond was the best. Followed closely by Brosnan. Craig plays a good action man, almost as good as Jason Statham.
Roger Moore was always the Saint to me, never James Bond. Lazenby - well, the less said the better.
The original Bond was the best. Followed closely by Brosnan. Craig plays a good action man, almost as good as Jason Statham.
Roger Moore was always the Saint to me, never James Bond. Lazenby - well, the less said the better.
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In quite a few movies the sound people use a eurocopter fenestron scream over visuals of jetbangers etc - suppose they just sound better. And remember anything that flies in a Bond movie makes a noise like a VNE dive. Also, in OHMSS, they managed to get tyre squeal from an Aston Martin - on a beach!
Helicopter comment:
I was puzzled as to why the helicpter dove into the building, and can only guess from the vary spliced together film work that the pilot had been hit and the convulsions/pain?? resulted in his inadvertent "forward cyclic" response. I guess the co-pilot was hit as well. Very unclear.
Most movie goers won't care, but we helicopter pilots ... well, we see it with a more critical eye!
I was asking myself that during the film.
That aside, what a hell of a cast. Finney, Fiennes, Dench ... some real all stars in supporting roles, and yes, M being more in the film was goodness.
Yes. He's had some better scripts to work with, however, compared to Brosnan, who did well but had some turkey stories/scripts to work with.
As to Moore, who I never liked due to being a Connery fan ... I had heard that he had been first considered when the original film came out ... but I'd have to look that up.
Two issues that annoyed me in this film:
First off, we don't quite get the "how did Bond survive that fall and near drowning" (Was he wearing a bullet proof vest?) in the opener.
Secondly: the mad bad guy, while standard fare, was out of context. In sharp contrast to the rest of the film,he was just a bit too much of a cartoon. (Also disagree with that jail cell thing. Silly, given the setting. )
I agree with him trying to recruit Bond as a plot line. He's a guy who likes to think outside the box. He knows Bond is good, and that things are changing. Worth an effort.
His "omniscience" factor via the computer is a bit much, as is Q's visual display' of the geeks messing with his "enigma within a puzzle" code and virus/trojan. That is straight out of a bad Dan Brown book.
Given his origins, they could have made him less cartoon like, and more 'real,' and thus made this Bond film as good a film as From Russia With Love. (That was a low tech film with some very good acting, also set in Istanbul, at least in part).
On that score, the script writers really didn't do their work.
They also disappointed me with the junior agent, who was helping Bond early on. Her final disposition was a big disappointment, given that she showed some decent field craft.
Just a few too "deus ex machina" moments in a film, otherwise pretty well done from a color, shade, mood, and plot standpoint.
My son's remark: too cheesey, too many plot holes, and the Bourne films are far better, at least the first two.
I see how he comes to that conclusion, given what he grew up with.
Would like to have seen the ending be Bond and a hot lass, which is standard Bond fare. Oh well, they are trying to "change from within" and I suppose those of us who are Bond fans must grin and bear it. Too bad.
But a bloody waste of good whiskey, that was
as well as the waste of a great hottie who could have made that last scene "just right" for an old Bond fan.
I was puzzled as to why the helicpter dove into the building, and can only guess from the vary spliced together film work that the pilot had been hit and the convulsions/pain?? resulted in his inadvertent "forward cyclic" response. I guess the co-pilot was hit as well. Very unclear.
Most movie goers won't care, but we helicopter pilots ... well, we see it with a more critical eye!
Why did Kincaid and M use a zillion candle power torch to get to the chapel when they knew Silva was after them?!
That aside, what a hell of a cast. Finney, Fiennes, Dench ... some real all stars in supporting roles, and yes, M being more in the film was goodness.
Craig is the best Bond since Connery
As to Moore, who I never liked due to being a Connery fan ... I had heard that he had been first considered when the original film came out ... but I'd have to look that up.
Two issues that annoyed me in this film:
First off, we don't quite get the "how did Bond survive that fall and near drowning" (Was he wearing a bullet proof vest?) in the opener.
Secondly: the mad bad guy, while standard fare, was out of context. In sharp contrast to the rest of the film,he was just a bit too much of a cartoon. (Also disagree with that jail cell thing. Silly, given the setting. )
I agree with him trying to recruit Bond as a plot line. He's a guy who likes to think outside the box. He knows Bond is good, and that things are changing. Worth an effort.
His "omniscience" factor via the computer is a bit much, as is Q's visual display' of the geeks messing with his "enigma within a puzzle" code and virus/trojan. That is straight out of a bad Dan Brown book.
Given his origins, they could have made him less cartoon like, and more 'real,' and thus made this Bond film as good a film as From Russia With Love. (That was a low tech film with some very good acting, also set in Istanbul, at least in part).
On that score, the script writers really didn't do their work.
They also disappointed me with the junior agent, who was helping Bond early on. Her final disposition was a big disappointment, given that she showed some decent field craft.
Just a few too "deus ex machina" moments in a film, otherwise pretty well done from a color, shade, mood, and plot standpoint.
My son's remark: too cheesey, too many plot holes, and the Bourne films are far better, at least the first two.
I see how he comes to that conclusion, given what he grew up with.
Would like to have seen the ending be Bond and a hot lass, which is standard Bond fare. Oh well, they are trying to "change from within" and I suppose those of us who are Bond fans must grin and bear it. Too bad.
But a bloody waste of good whiskey, that was
as well as the waste of a great hottie who could have made that last scene "just right" for an old Bond fan.
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Exactly, a fitting end with a fitting lady what was needed.....though looks like its gone back to Dr No....
introduced to a new Quartermaster
and to Miss Moneypenny
And wasn't sure about Fiennes's character at the beginning and even thought hmmm he could be one of the bad guys even
though M should still be a naval admiral rather than former SAS colonel.
Also this is the first time, in the trilogy of Daniel Craig as Bond, where Bond is recognised as a naval officer during the old 'M' writing his obituary. If you recall, in Casino Royale, Vesper makes assumptions, on their initial meeting, that he's an SAS type (then again if you watch Pierce Brosnan in Tomorrow Never Dies as he exits the MH-53M Pave Low at RAF Lakenheath (meant to be substituted for Kadena) he has SF airborne wings on his uniform.
I think he has FAA wings on his sleeve and if you read Win Lose or Die by John Gardner, who took Bond into the 70s, 80s and 90s post Ian Fleming, Bond goes back into the RN as a captain and ends up as doing refresher courses, qualifying as a Sea Jet pilot on top of being in charge of tracking down a terrorist conspiracy to destroy Glasnost and Perestroika aboard Invincible. Also in Cold, which on the front cover has a AH-1W flown by Bond being chased by two Mil-8, it says when the damsel in distress / agent assisting Bond escape the first time from the renegade General, asks if he can fly from his camp in the US north west. This is as the first thing he eyes is the AH-1W SuperCobra parked outside and Bond's response is he flew the Junglie Commando.
Cheers
Exactly, a fitting end with a fitting lady what was needed.....though looks like its gone back to Dr No....
introduced to a new Quartermaster
and to Miss Moneypenny
And wasn't sure about Fiennes's character at the beginning and even thought hmmm he could be one of the bad guys even
though M should still be a naval admiral rather than former SAS colonel.Also this is the first time, in the trilogy of Daniel Craig as Bond, where Bond is recognised as a naval officer during the old 'M' writing his obituary. If you recall, in Casino Royale, Vesper makes assumptions, on their initial meeting, that he's an SAS type (then again if you watch Pierce Brosnan in Tomorrow Never Dies as he exits the MH-53M Pave Low at RAF Lakenheath (meant to be substituted for Kadena) he has SF airborne wings on his uniform.
I think he has FAA wings on his sleeve and if you read Win Lose or Die by John Gardner, who took Bond into the 70s, 80s and 90s post Ian Fleming, Bond goes back into the RN as a captain and ends up as doing refresher courses, qualifying as a Sea Jet pilot on top of being in charge of tracking down a terrorist conspiracy to destroy Glasnost and Perestroika aboard Invincible. Also in Cold, which on the front cover has a AH-1W flown by Bond being chased by two Mil-8, it says when the damsel in distress / agent assisting Bond escape the first time from the renegade General, asks if he can fly from his camp in the US north west. This is as the first thing he eyes is the AH-1W SuperCobra parked outside and Bond's response is he flew the Junglie Commando.
Cheers
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I was head faked on Fiennes' character (having been in IRA hands for 3 months) as a possible mole. That would have made for a superb tale of "who trusts whom" but would have left open the question of who gets to be M, and how M is chosen. The other "who trusts whom" on that plot line would have been a marvelous attempt at an internal coup, being the mole/minister who deposes M and then takes over MI 6, only to be found out and foiled by Bond and his junioro agent assistant due to something the mad villain lets slip, or does, that clues them up. Or Q picks up on something and the three of them figure out that they've nearly made a mole into head of MI 6, etcetera.
Oh well, they didn't take that line.
I'd actually rather that M in the next film be a surprise. When M a la Judy Dench first showed up, you got a surprise ... and for my money, a good one.
Oh well, they didn't take that line.
I'd actually rather that M in the next film be a surprise. When M a la Judy Dench first showed up, you got a surprise ... and for my money, a good one.
skyfall 3/10