Personal callsign vs aircraft registration
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Personal callsign vs aircraft registration
I,m after a bit of help,
How would you register for a personal callsign ? (uk) to use instead of the full aircraft registration ?
These seem to be used more often now days but cant fing any information on how to apply..
Nelly01 ........ Ha ha
How would you register for a personal callsign ? (uk) to use instead of the full aircraft registration ?
These seem to be used more often now days but cant fing any information on how to apply..
Nelly01 ........ Ha ha
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http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?ca...=118&faqid=337
How do I obtain a radio telephony callsign?
Contact [email protected] for further information or see AIC 97/2008 (yellow 278)on the NATS AIC website.
Contact [email protected] for further information or see AIC 97/2008 (yellow 278)on the NATS AIC website.
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http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadba...2008-12-04.pdf
Application form on AIC 
4 Telephony Designators
4.1 With the exception of State aircraft, ICAO Telephony Designators will normally only be assigned to AOC holders. Normally, no
more than one Telephony Designator will be registered for each aircraft operating agency, aeronautical authority or service.
4.2 Exceptionally, Telephony Designators may be assigned to non-AOC holders at the discretion of DAP. In such cases, the
assigned Telephony Designator may be used for flights operated in accordance with aircraft and pilot licensing requirements.
Telephony Designators will not under any circumstances be assigned to individuals for personal use.
4.3 Telephony Designators may be used as part of the radiotelephony callsign in accordance with ICAO Radiotelephony Procedures
(Annex 10, Volume 2) and CAP 413 Radiotelephony Manual. Telephony Designators should resemble as far as possible the name of
the aircraft operating agency or its function. Ideally, there should be a correlation between the three-letter designator, the Telephony
Designator and the name of the aircraft operating agency or its function.
4.4 In order to reduce the length of R/T transmissions, Telephony Designators should be brief and comprise if possible one word of
two or three syllables. It should not exceed two words. The Telephony Designator should be easily and phonetically pronounceable.
4.5 The use by aircraft operators of Telephony Designators relating to an Air Traffic Service Unit is not recommended and should be
avoided.
4.1 With the exception of State aircraft, ICAO Telephony Designators will normally only be assigned to AOC holders. Normally, no
more than one Telephony Designator will be registered for each aircraft operating agency, aeronautical authority or service.
4.2 Exceptionally, Telephony Designators may be assigned to non-AOC holders at the discretion of DAP. In such cases, the
assigned Telephony Designator may be used for flights operated in accordance with aircraft and pilot licensing requirements.
Telephony Designators will not under any circumstances be assigned to individuals for personal use.
4.3 Telephony Designators may be used as part of the radiotelephony callsign in accordance with ICAO Radiotelephony Procedures
(Annex 10, Volume 2) and CAP 413 Radiotelephony Manual. Telephony Designators should resemble as far as possible the name of
the aircraft operating agency or its function. Ideally, there should be a correlation between the three-letter designator, the Telephony
Designator and the name of the aircraft operating agency or its function.
4.4 In order to reduce the length of R/T transmissions, Telephony Designators should be brief and comprise if possible one word of
two or three syllables. It should not exceed two words. The Telephony Designator should be easily and phonetically pronounceable.
4.5 The use by aircraft operators of Telephony Designators relating to an Air Traffic Service Unit is not recommended and should be
avoided.
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I've never quite understood this..
I hear pilots calling "Rinky-Dink zero four" etc.and not giving the reg. of the one of several different helicopters they may be flying..
Is the a/c - reg. not actually relevant to RT ?
I hear pilots calling "Rinky-Dink zero four" etc.and not giving the reg. of the one of several different helicopters they may be flying..
Is the a/c - reg. not actually relevant to RT ?
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Dinky-dink zero four.... Mint......
Anyways, the relevant forms and info listed above goes on about having an AOC etc, but in some cases may be granted without..
Me not having an AOC will probably be a no then, so I will let you know the outcome....
Nelly-copter zero one.....
Anyways, the relevant forms and info listed above goes on about having an AOC etc, but in some cases may be granted without..
Me not having an AOC will probably be a no then, so I will let you know the outcome....
Nelly-copter zero one.....
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Over here its only handy for prioritising during military excercises etc. airmed 1, 2, 3 or 4 or etc, don't know but I guess the medevac helicopter would be equally treated, Careflight 1, or 2. of course that designation goes with the aircraft designation so the people in the glass tower know who it is.
Otherwise if you are big enough and smart enough to be (speedbird one) or (Qantas 527) (flight number) then we just act like the peons that we are.
Bit like cow cockies in the Territory; they must have a three letter brand registered for their cattle before they get an applied for symbol brand to go with it, which they would use for sale animals only, usually.
Back in the good old days we were all on first name terms with all the Flight Service Unit gentlemen, (which they were) one only had to cough and it didn't matter whether it was malfunction in Kununurra or Tom in Alice they would call you straight away, you OK there mate (first name).
They used to call up sometimes and say, can you listen out for us for a while I've got a message to run, ??? * ?? Just sitting there waiting for one of the ta taa Fockers to call up and give them a bit of lip, yessir, bloody ingorant sods. Reg's boys were good and extremely helpful by compaison.
Otherwise if you are big enough and smart enough to be (speedbird one) or (Qantas 527) (flight number) then we just act like the peons that we are.
Bit like cow cockies in the Territory; they must have a three letter brand registered for their cattle before they get an applied for symbol brand to go with it, which they would use for sale animals only, usually.
Back in the good old days we were all on first name terms with all the Flight Service Unit gentlemen, (which they were) one only had to cough and it didn't matter whether it was malfunction in Kununurra or Tom in Alice they would call you straight away, you OK there mate (first name).
They used to call up sometimes and say, can you listen out for us for a while I've got a message to run, ??? * ?? Just sitting there waiting for one of the ta taa Fockers to call up and give them a bit of lip, yessir, bloody ingorant sods. Reg's boys were good and extremely helpful by compaison.
When my godfather took over from PPRuNer Paco flying the Towers LongRanger (the 206L belonging to Alton Towers) we applied for a service number and were allocated "ALTON 01".
Because we didn't have an AOC the entire process was handled by Air Hanson.
To be honest the "zero one" designation was a pain, it didn't really fit smoothly into the RT comms. You would be better off with a two or three digit number or the name followed by a letter.
I think 35 Sqn use "Ascot" followed by three letters and the RHF (when HM is aboard) "Rainbow 1 Romeo".
I love the RAF call-signs though .. "Vortex"
Because we didn't have an AOC the entire process was handled by Air Hanson.
To be honest the "zero one" designation was a pain, it didn't really fit smoothly into the RT comms. You would be better off with a two or three digit number or the name followed by a letter.
I think 35 Sqn use "Ascot" followed by three letters and the RHF (when HM is aboard) "Rainbow 1 Romeo".
I love the RAF call-signs though .. "Vortex"
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PD, the callsign is only a unique name to identify you against all the other aircraft out there, the reg does that as well as anything else but there's no "need" to use it.
I suspect that company callsigns aren't always crafted by the poor pilots who have to use them, Many - most are fine but there are some excruciating ones out there...
The poor buggers that have to call themselves Specsaver must cringe every time they hit the mic switch, there's an American bizjet called - really, I'm not kidding, Batman and I think there's a Gotham out there too. The sheer cheek of some european carrier calling itself B line (the old BEA callsign) - no bloody respect, is there? Virgin Express(EI) used to be Green Isle which didn't exactly trip off the tongue and is just plain silly but Go was spot-on. Speedbird is just perfect too. There's a clever one too, I can't recall the first word but it's Risky Business - something business anyway and a pun on the first word. Made us smile when we heard it anyway.
Company callsigns don't always work, years ago the cantankerous old git who ran Headcorn would simply refuse to communicate with you if you used one, you had to revert to using your reg if you wanted to get in or out of there but that sort of thing was what gave Headcorn its character. I doubt it was legal though.
Personal callsigns are a boon sometimes as controllers get to know you as an individual and it does often open doors, or rather zones when others are routing around as they know you are reliable and won't give them headaches.
Frankly in a light aircraft or an R22 it is faintly ridiculous, pretentious, a bit like PPLs or club instructors wearing gold bars.
HM iirc is Kittyhawk, Rainbow is Phil the Greek but I stand to be corrected on that. Charls is or was Golden Eagle wasn't he, and Andrew has one too but senility has erased that one. Maybe that's changed.
Navy call themselves Navy and Army are Army, so why are the crabs poncing about with Ascots and Vortices then? Ha! As if I have to ask. Still, the USAF heavies use the rather baffling Reach. Why?? Is it an Air Force thing?
I suspect that company callsigns aren't always crafted by the poor pilots who have to use them, Many - most are fine but there are some excruciating ones out there...
The poor buggers that have to call themselves Specsaver must cringe every time they hit the mic switch, there's an American bizjet called - really, I'm not kidding, Batman and I think there's a Gotham out there too. The sheer cheek of some european carrier calling itself B line (the old BEA callsign) - no bloody respect, is there? Virgin Express(EI) used to be Green Isle which didn't exactly trip off the tongue and is just plain silly but Go was spot-on. Speedbird is just perfect too. There's a clever one too, I can't recall the first word but it's Risky Business - something business anyway and a pun on the first word. Made us smile when we heard it anyway.
Company callsigns don't always work, years ago the cantankerous old git who ran Headcorn would simply refuse to communicate with you if you used one, you had to revert to using your reg if you wanted to get in or out of there but that sort of thing was what gave Headcorn its character. I doubt it was legal though.
Personal callsigns are a boon sometimes as controllers get to know you as an individual and it does often open doors, or rather zones when others are routing around as they know you are reliable and won't give them headaches.
Frankly in a light aircraft or an R22 it is faintly ridiculous, pretentious, a bit like PPLs or club instructors wearing gold bars.
HM iirc is Kittyhawk, Rainbow is Phil the Greek but I stand to be corrected on that. Charls is or was Golden Eagle wasn't he, and Andrew has one too but senility has erased that one. Maybe that's changed.
Navy call themselves Navy and Army are Army, so why are the crabs poncing about with Ascots and Vortices then? Ha! As if I have to ask. Still, the USAF heavies use the rather baffling Reach. Why?? Is it an Air Force thing?
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You are a funny man Agaricus .. thoroughly enjoyed that post! 
I think Rainbow has always been associated with the regal rotorcraft and Kittyhawk the planks but 'suffixed' with different numbers (or letters) signifying who's who.
I think Rainbow has always been associated with the regal rotorcraft and Kittyhawk the planks but 'suffixed' with different numbers (or letters) signifying who's who.
I do find it faintly ridiculous such as last Saturday morning at Redhill when a helo called up as "Redhill Tower good morning; Callsign 04"
and the response was "Good morning 04, which aeroplane are you flying today"
Respnse " .. oh its G-AAAA".
Didn't really shorten anything.
and the response was "Good morning 04, which aeroplane are you flying today"
Respnse " .. oh its G-AAAA".
Didn't really shorten anything.
I have tried with and without a company callsign and have come to the conclusion that it DOES help . Flying through Manchester and Birmingham zones i get told to route around 9 times out of 10 when using the aircraft reg but when using company callsign i go straight through 9 times out of 10 .
I think , rightly or wrongly , the ATC guys think you are going to be less trouble if a company pilot . ( and judging by some of the long winded waffle that some pilots come out with im not altogether surprised !!)
I think , rightly or wrongly , the ATC guys think you are going to be less trouble if a company pilot . ( and judging by some of the long winded waffle that some pilots come out with im not altogether surprised !!)
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I have done both personal call signs in the past (Dollar 08 then latterly Dollar 22) and aircraft call signs now. Bristow have call signs for each aircraft. Can be a right pain first thing in the morning if you have been flying one aircraft for a number of days, and then you get something different.
More amusingly is when the military used to have fun :-
"Skin formation check in"
"One Skin"
"Two Skin"
"Three Skin"
"Four .........."
Or for the older amongst us..
"Banana formation check in"
"One Banana"
"Two Banana"
"Three Banana"
"Four"
More amusingly is when the military used to have fun :-
"Skin formation check in"
"One Skin"
"Two Skin"
"Three Skin"
"Four .........."
Or for the older amongst us..
"Banana formation check in"
"One Banana"
"Two Banana"
"Three Banana"
"Four"
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Oi Agaricus!
As a former user of the "Specsavers" callsign I'll have you know that there was no cringe whatsoever.
"Specsavers 2 4 1" as invented by one of the Specs FO's is still one of my favourite callsigns, and used to get a laugh occasionally from ATC and other users.
I did enjoy some of the Royal Navy ones.
"Havoc" and "Menace" were suitably warlike, and Tiger and Claymore were nice.
"speedbird" is just so gauche..
As a former user of the "Specsavers" callsign I'll have you know that there was no cringe whatsoever.
"Specsavers 2 4 1" as invented by one of the Specs FO's is still one of my favourite callsigns, and used to get a laugh occasionally from ATC and other users.
I did enjoy some of the Royal Navy ones.
"Havoc" and "Menace" were suitably warlike, and Tiger and Claymore were nice.
"speedbird" is just so gauche..
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902jon,
Bit of a urban myth nowadays. Check ins are always:
"skin"
"2"
"3"
"skin 4"
"Benson App, Skin, 4 merlin....."
Worse still is the use of "Skin formation" mil call signs are there to indicate that you are a formation......just the call sign should be used.
Not good when ATC controllers mishear "Demon" for "Seaman"......worse still when they ask "does your call sign have two a's in it or two e's" ;-)
Bit of a urban myth nowadays. Check ins are always:
"skin"
"2"
"3"
"skin 4"
"Benson App, Skin, 4 merlin....."
Worse still is the use of "Skin formation" mil call signs are there to indicate that you are a formation......just the call sign should be used.
Not good when ATC controllers mishear "Demon" for "Seaman"......worse still when they ask "does your call sign have two a's in it or two e's" ;-)
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NATO Trigraphs:
M9N95, not a single ATC agency, mil or civil, got that right first time for an entire day!
And I think 230 had Klingon, which caused a few pauses on the R/T. "Klingon is going on route", "Roger, Klingon, live long and prosper!", "Actually that's Vulcan formation, but thanks for joining in!"...
M9N95, not a single ATC agency, mil or civil, got that right first time for an entire day!
And I think 230 had Klingon, which caused a few pauses on the R/T. "Klingon is going on route", "Roger, Klingon, live long and prosper!", "Actually that's Vulcan formation, but thanks for joining in!"...
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Canute.
Salut!
And I've heard it said that there is a SID in the States where the reporting points are ITAW, DITAW, APUD an DETAT. Probably a wind-up but too beautiful if true.
,,,if in doubt, go on, read it back....
Salut!
And I've heard it said that there is a SID in the States where the reporting points are ITAW, DITAW, APUD an DETAT. Probably a wind-up but too beautiful if true.
,,,if in doubt, go on, read it back....
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Probably a wind-up but too beautiful if true.
Here it is
Here is a bunch of other funnies:
Intersection and approach names
Avoid imitations
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Once flew in a military formation of helicopters around the Salisbury Plain area. As part of the training task we had to carry out a landing at Wroughton military hospital (on the helipad on the disused airfield). One of our staff had to be admitted for a "minor surgical operation in the men's plumbing department".
We chose an appropriate formation call-sign from our allocated list.
We put the incumbent on intercom so he could listen out.
First call he heard on the radio was: "SNIPPET Formation - check in!"
We chose an appropriate formation call-sign from our allocated list.
We put the incumbent on intercom so he could listen out.
First call he heard on the radio was: "SNIPPET Formation - check in!"