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Photo of the day: Members from Presidential Helicopter Squadron (HMX) 1 pose with their newest aircraft, the MV-22B Osprey, last month in Quantico, Va. The MV-22 Osprey was formally introduced to HMX-1 at a ceremony May 4. The Osprey is built by Bell-Boeing under direction from the V-22 Joint Program Office (PMA-275) here at Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Md.
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Potential FMS Buyers Named; NAVAIR Confirms V-22 Multi-Year (2013-17)
During the American Helicopter Society (AHS International) meeting held in Phoenix in May, U.S. Marine Corps (USMC) Col. Greg Masiello, V-22 Joint Program Office (PMA 275) manager, based at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Md., had restated the V-22 program of record. USMC still requires 360 MV-22s, U.S. Air Force SOCOM 51 CV-22s, and the U.S. Navy 48 V-22s (although there is still no budget to purchase this requirement).
The Bell-Boeing OEMs believe that the tiltrotor would be a good aircraft to replace the U.S. Navy’s aging Carrier Onboard Delivery (COD) C2 Greyhounds which are at the end of their service life. He said that the Osprey fleet continues to exceed its reliability goals and that around 18 maintenance hours are required for every flight hour. At the time, Col. Masiello had expected the next multi-year to be for 100 Ospreys, with the Marines being docked one aircraft in the new figure of 99.
In a break with tradition, he actually named the countries that were showing the greatest interest in acquiring a V-22 fleet, although he did not say at what point, if any, negotiations were at: United Arab Emirates – 10; Israel – 6; Qatar – 12; Canada12-15; Japan 6-10; and Brazil 10. Inquiries had also been received from the United Kingdom, Columbia, Libya, Italy, India, Singapore and Australia.
Masiellosaid that the V-22 was expected to participate in the Dubai Air Show in November this year, together with the Singapore Air Show in February 2014.
More recently in June, the U.S. Naval Air Systems Command (NAVAIR) continued its procurement of V-22 Ospreys by confirming the next tranche of multiyear aircraft from joint manufacturers Bell-Boeing. The $6.5-billion, five-year contract covers 99 Osprey tiltrotors (92 for the USMC and seven CV-22s for the US AirForce Special Operations Command). There is provision for another 23 V-22s built in. The multi-year contract has been designed to guarantee industry set numbers of aircraft within a timescale, thereby allowing them fiscally plan better. This should result in around $1 billion of savings against single year delivery contracts. The first multi-year contract was awarded by NAVAIR in 2008 for 141 MV-22s and 26 CV-22s. It was worth $10.4 billion.
—ByAndrew Drwiega, International BureauChief
During the American Helicopter Society (AHS International) meeting held in Phoenix in May, U.S. Marine Corps (USMC) Col. Greg Masiello, V-22 Joint Program Office (PMA 275) manager, based at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Md., had restated the V-22 program of record. USMC still requires 360 MV-22s, U.S. Air Force SOCOM 51 CV-22s, and the U.S. Navy 48 V-22s (although there is still no budget to purchase this requirement).
The Bell-Boeing OEMs believe that the tiltrotor would be a good aircraft to replace the U.S. Navy’s aging Carrier Onboard Delivery (COD) C2 Greyhounds which are at the end of their service life. He said that the Osprey fleet continues to exceed its reliability goals and that around 18 maintenance hours are required for every flight hour. At the time, Col. Masiello had expected the next multi-year to be for 100 Ospreys, with the Marines being docked one aircraft in the new figure of 99.
In a break with tradition, he actually named the countries that were showing the greatest interest in acquiring a V-22 fleet, although he did not say at what point, if any, negotiations were at: United Arab Emirates – 10; Israel – 6; Qatar – 12; Canada12-15; Japan 6-10; and Brazil 10. Inquiries had also been received from the United Kingdom, Columbia, Libya, Italy, India, Singapore and Australia.
Masiellosaid that the V-22 was expected to participate in the Dubai Air Show in November this year, together with the Singapore Air Show in February 2014.
More recently in June, the U.S. Naval Air Systems Command (NAVAIR) continued its procurement of V-22 Ospreys by confirming the next tranche of multiyear aircraft from joint manufacturers Bell-Boeing. The $6.5-billion, five-year contract covers 99 Osprey tiltrotors (92 for the USMC and seven CV-22s for the US AirForce Special Operations Command). There is provision for another 23 V-22s built in. The multi-year contract has been designed to guarantee industry set numbers of aircraft within a timescale, thereby allowing them fiscally plan better. This should result in around $1 billion of savings against single year delivery contracts. The first multi-year contract was awarded by NAVAIR in 2008 for 141 MV-22s and 26 CV-22s. It was worth $10.4 billion.
—ByAndrew Drwiega, International BureauChief
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The V-22's got to participate in their first Presidential Mission.....by flying to Martha's Vineyard from DC.
They hauled "Bo" the First Dog!
What is it about the Obama's that they either cannot fly together or they never fly the Dog with them on AF-1? There is not room for Bo and the Baggage on AF=1?
First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home - Telegraph
They hauled "Bo" the First Dog!
What is it about the Obama's that they either cannot fly together or they never fly the Dog with them on AF-1? There is not room for Bo and the Baggage on AF=1?
First dog Bo is airlifted to Obama holiday home - Telegraph
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Actually, Bo did his first leg of the trip in Air Force One:
Bo, the Obama family dog, is walked off Air Force One en route to where the Obama family is to begin their vacation in Martha's Vineyard. (Jacquelyn Martin, AP)
Obama goes on holiday | News24
Hopefully he was not the sole occupant of the aircraft as was not the case with the V-22...
Getty Images: Obama Family Arrives For Martha's Vineyard Vacation
And hopefully the dog had a higher priorty than the media...
Bo, the Obama family dog, is walked off Air Force One en route to where the Obama family is to begin their vacation in Martha's Vineyard. (Jacquelyn Martin, AP)
Hopefully he was not the sole occupant of the aircraft as was not the case with the V-22...
Obama Family Arrives For Martha's Vineyard Vacation
By Pool (GETTY) – 1 day ago
WEST TISBURY, MA - AUGUST 10: An MV - 22 "Osprey" lands at Martha's Vineyard Airport in support of U.S. President Barack Obama and first lady Michelle Obama aboard Marine One helicopter August 10, 2013 in West Tisbury, Massachusetts. The tiltrotor aircraft flew support for the first time today. They carried members of the White House staff, the media, and the Secret Service. The MV - 22's will eventually replace all CH - 46E helicopters serving in support of Marine One and Two. The Obamas arrived on the island today for a nine-day vacation. (Photo by Vincent DeWitt-Pool/Getty Images)
Copyright © 2013 Getty Images. All rights reserved.
By Pool (GETTY) – 1 day ago
WEST TISBURY, MA - AUGUST 10: An MV - 22 "Osprey" lands at Martha's Vineyard Airport in support of U.S. President Barack Obama and first lady Michelle Obama aboard Marine One helicopter August 10, 2013 in West Tisbury, Massachusetts. The tiltrotor aircraft flew support for the first time today. They carried members of the White House staff, the media, and the Secret Service. The MV - 22's will eventually replace all CH - 46E helicopters serving in support of Marine One and Two. The Obamas arrived on the island today for a nine-day vacation. (Photo by Vincent DeWitt-Pool/Getty Images)
Copyright © 2013 Getty Images. All rights reserved.
And hopefully the dog had a higher priorty than the media...
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Was the photo of Bo exiting AF-1 taken on this trip....or one of the two previous trips?
My Pax River buddy posed a question......"Why is it the Prez rides in a 1950's Vintage Helicopter but doesn't ride in a V-22 despite all the PR telling us how **** hot the V-22 is?"
He does have a point in his query.
My Pax River buddy posed a question......"Why is it the Prez rides in a 1950's Vintage Helicopter but doesn't ride in a V-22 despite all the PR telling us how **** hot the V-22 is?"
He does have a point in his query.
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"Why is it the Prez rides in a 1950's Vintage Helicopter but doesn't ride in a V-22 despite all the PR telling us how **** hot the V-22 is?"
There is a whole slew of extra-special goodies aboard every VH-3.
Ever wonder why VH71 was going to cost $400 million a pop when an AW101 costs $25 million?
And theres no arguing the V22 would likely tear up some of that expensive landscaping the guy living at 1600 Pennsylvania keeps up.
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Sans.....can you provide documented proof "He Rides in them!".
Just one confirmed event will do.....proof positive Obama actually rode (past tense used on purpose) in the Osprey.....i would love to see it.
Just one confirmed event will do.....proof positive Obama actually rode (past tense used on purpose) in the Osprey.....i would love to see it.
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A good start.....but I was thinking about Stateside use on a routine flight....and in one of the assigned 22's.
In the sandbox Obama, Gates, and others flew around on the Osprey multiple times.
Lets also remember the ships assigned to HMX-1 have only been in operational for a couple of months, and this was the actual debut of service. Would be hard for him to have taken one on a routine stateside flight.
Plus if his normal cadre of VH-3 and VH-60 are available, why would he be flying the V-22s that dont have all the secret-squirrel presidential comms and equipment aboard?
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Was the photo of Bo exiting AF-1 taken on this trip....or one of the two previous trips?
Definitely on this trip. The article was dated 11 August 2013 from the site linked here: Obama goes on holiday | News24
As mentioned, Obama has ridden in the V-22 and has apparently been "converted" into being a "believer' now.
It is his Whitehouse that allowed the V-22 to be added to HMX-1 without going through the grueling rigors of the VH program that Sikorsky is about to enter. All he had to do was tell them not to paint the top white and say, "oh yeah, that is for everybody else but me."
But you can bet if a situation arose where they needed to get him out as 'quickly and as far as possible,' the media and others left behind would find themselves sitting in the VH-3 seeing the tail of the V-22 carrying Obama disappear over the horizon.
He proved he doesn't need the fancy Comm gear as evidenced by his Benghazi performance.
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"It is his Whitehouse that allowed the V-22 to be added to HMX-1 without going through the grueling rigors of the VH program that Sikorsky is about to enter"
Bear in mind that the HMX-1 Phrogs that the MV-22s are replacing were themselves only a temporary fill-in following the retirement of the CH-53Es in 2011, pending the arrival of the Ospreys. No conspiracies here.
Interesting product placement for Bell-Boeing though. Even though Boeing has officially no-bid the Osprey, and even with the previously discussed downwash/footprint issues, I'm sure the V-22 will be unofficially promoted as an off-the-shelf cab for '45' when the opportunity presents itself.
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Doubt the White House had much to do with it. The MV-22s are used for 'green side' missions only, and will not carry the POTUS. Only the VXX (/VH-92) will perform 'white side' missions, with all the inevitable build/testing rigors that creating a flying Oval Office entails.
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Benghazi really!!!! Everyone knows that was a CIA omnishambles. The CIA had on ground assets which they did not use. The question that has not been answered was where was Betrayus? Going over notes with biographer?
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Benghazi really!!!! Everyone knows that was a CIA omnishambles. The CIA had on ground assets which they did not use. The question that has not been answered was where was Betrayus? Going over notes with biographer?
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the greatest $money sucker known to the Rotary World 
with still nmiles to run before certification & serious utilization ~ cost effectively me thinks? 
will this amazing flying contraption ever make it in the real GA World?? 
Land back Happy always
with still nmiles to run before certification & serious utilization ~ cost effectively me thinks? will this amazing flying contraption ever make it in the real GA World?? Land back Happy always
with still nmiles to run before certification & serious utilization
The V22 has been operational for 185,000+ hours to date since '07, with half of that in the previous 3 years! That's probably a significant chunk of "nmiles" and some pretty serious utilization
What about the 609....civvie version....how's that working out for AW?
What about the 609....civvie version....how's that working out for AW?
Quite different as i understand it....different concept in systems and such.