NAPT AW139 Instructor recruitment?
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Another big, big problem is that "somebody", still the man who makes promises and does NOT keep faith to them, has chosen the very wrong man to lead the operations and the training. To summarize management is 
; organization is ; planning is and the atmosphere has already become !!!
If you take out from this vision the not too bad salary (different from pilot to pilot) all the rest is .....
; organization is ; planning is and the atmosphere has already become !!!If you take out from this vision the not too bad salary (different from pilot to pilot) all the rest is
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I can honestly say all that has been said on this thread is essentially true. Waif, be very careful if you value your sanity, especially if you have not worked in the Sandpit and if you are a "greenhorn" ....the last comment from Stn120 has a strong ring of truth......
Whilst NAPT have finally abided essentially by the contracts...and in some cases even better than, (after some unfortunate argy bargy), the work environment is one of extreme frustration for most....
"That's all I'll say on this matter"........for what its worth!
Whilst NAPT have finally abided essentially by the contracts...and in some cases even better than, (after some unfortunate argy bargy), the work environment is one of extreme frustration for most....
"That's all I'll say on this matter"........for what its worth!
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... And can the worst become even worse? Yes , indeed!!!
These super geniuses could not manage a camel herd, just imagine a "supposed to be military" group!
Never ever seen anything like this in all my life.
The sad thing is they even treat expats like when they could only be cleaning their shoes ...
PPRUNERs BEWARE ... You are all adviced!
These super geniuses could not manage a camel herd, just imagine a "supposed to be military" group!
Never ever seen anything like this in all my life.
The sad thing is they even treat expats like
when they could only be cleaning their shoes ...PPRUNERs BEWARE ... You are all adviced!
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It has always been that way in the Sandpit and always will be. You either accept the ****, keep your mouth shut, take the tax-free money and enjoy your time off - or leave.
As someone on the Middle East thread once said 'If you are there for anything else but the money then you are there for the wrong reason'.
As someone on the Middle East thread once said 'If you are there for anything else but the money then you are there for the wrong reason'.
Just beating the air into submission!
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Having worked in the "sandpit" and well versed on the misleading words of the "grande fromage" in charge I have followed this thread with interest. I see there has been no posts recently; what is the current situation? Have all the issues been resolved or are expats still intending to leave in droves? I have a couple of colleagues working here, but they have gone tight lipped on the situation, I guess the smelly stuff hit the fan and they have been told to be quiet, at least on PPrune.
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Not a lot of information coming from Qatar at the moment.
It would seem that maybe those who are there have been told to pipe down and not make comment for fear of reprisals.
All I hear is that one individual is not being permitted to leave as NAPT will not allow him an exit visa. This may be a knee jurk reaction to the fact that a couple have departed on vacation and not come back. So how do they trust people to go on holiday and return? Are those that are there going to have to demonstrate some sort of commitment (a bond) that they shall return?
Doesn't sound good.
It would seem that maybe those who are there have been told to pipe down and not make comment for fear of reprisals.
All I hear is that one individual is not being permitted to leave as NAPT will not allow him an exit visa. This may be a knee jurk reaction to the fact that a couple have departed on vacation and not come back. So how do they trust people to go on holiday and return? Are those that are there going to have to demonstrate some sort of commitment (a bond) that they shall return?
Doesn't sound good.
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The latest I hear is that there are many who wish to leave, by hook or by crook and not many applying to fill the empty spaces. It doesn't sound good for the scheme and reflects badly on the Brigadier in charge, but then he never was a diplomat preferring a dictatorial style of leadership.
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The Brigadier has no leadership at all. it is not that he has a dictator style the problem ... is even worse. He is not able to command a group of people, he does not know where to start from ... Firstly, he lies and he started to lie at the interview promising things that never happened. Yet, with particular reference to the people, he thinks that because of the salary, which is average good even if he thinks that none of the pilots there has ever seen a monthly check of 12k USD, he can treat them as he wishes because nobody is ever going to leave ... not to be commented ...
On the other end he has not organized anything, he is not able and willing to, he is just relying on some "fantastic" instructor who has his same leadership quality ... what else do you want more from life ? ... what a pity, what a waste ... and so not somebody but 99 % of the people there is willing to leave. Good luck you all folk !
On the other end he has not organized anything, he is not able and willing to, he is just relying on some "fantastic" instructor who has his same leadership quality ... what else do you want more from life ? ... what a pity, what a waste ... and so not somebody but 99 % of the people there is willing to leave. Good luck you all folk !
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Verba volant scripta manent
Well I have been the third to arrive and the first to leave perhaps my friends and colleagues should have followed my steps.
It is a great pitty as it should have been a great place to live and work, good luck to all of you guys my thoughts are with you
It is a great pitty as it should have been a great place to live and work, good luck to all of you guys my thoughts are with you
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I see nothing has changed, the issues have been going on since early 2010 when Brigadier G sacked four Agusta instructors in a row as they would not bow to his wishes. Since this time the AW139 SAR has struggled to get off the ground (pardon the pun), the EMS project has struggled with suitably qualified crew, the Utility has done only a few hours burning holes in the sky and many of the instructors have a dubious abilities. I know that he was pinning his salvation on his preferred instructor, who I know and have flown with him. He is an excellent instructor albeit not a good manager and to be fair he can not perform miracles, especially when aircraft serviceability is woefully poor and Brigadier G meddles with a very long screwdriver. It is time for a quantum change here to achieve the progress needed to achieve the aims of the project. Though, with the numbers wishing to move on and the bad press the project has received it would be difficult to recruit qualified front end crew, instructors and engineers to make this project work. There is an excellent Qatari officer qualified to lead the project waiting in the wings, hopefully the powers at the top will make the decision to diplomatically make some changes, but I would not hold your breath on this, or you may turn this colour 
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I'm not sure what your agenda is, however, your last post is not accurate, and very unprofessional.
Regardless of your personal opinions, the operation is moving in the right direction and serviceability is good. There are a couple of whiners who are not suited to this environment and are not happy (but they are still here...go figure that one out). They are encouraged to move on, I doubt their exit would be impeded and they will be easily replaced. I suspect it is from one of these that you are getting your "intel".
Unless you have something constructive to post, I suggest it is time to mind your own business. Thanks.
Regardless of your personal opinions, the operation is moving in the right direction and serviceability is good. There are a couple of whiners who are not suited to this environment and are not happy (but they are still here...go figure that one out). They are encouraged to move on, I doubt their exit would be impeded and they will be easily replaced. I suspect it is from one of these that you are getting your "intel".
Unless you have something constructive to post, I suggest it is time to mind your own business. Thanks.
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Heliaviator has posted something very interesting dear mr sandstruck ! You could be posting something interesting saying that all what we have written about this topic, many different people, is not true !!! Giving the clues of course.
If you state that this is the right direction for the operation to move it just means that you do not have the least ideas about what the word operation stands for. You all go back to school bunch of lazy liars and just kiss the hands of all the Indians and Pakistani that are building your country for free while you keep playing and pretending to be a military unit!
If you state that this is the right direction for the operation to move it just means that you do not have the least ideas about what the word operation stands for. You all go back to school bunch of lazy liars and just kiss the hands of all the Indians and Pakistani that are building your country for free while you keep playing and pretending to be a military unit!
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Sounds More R22 then AW139
Looking at the root of the problems, the difference of opinions might be the experienced ZA R22 guys who have a 139 Rating. Doha might be their perfect world, not sure if I would want to be on the end of the cable. We had a lot of that a few years ago, kind of glad they moved to greener pastures.
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Adroight, not everybody has your patience and knowledge in dealing with this kind of people. I am happy that you make everything so simple. If you don't like leave it, it's always been like this in the sandpit ... well not everybody is as used as you are in accepting this fantastic world and it's really banal, not to say silly, your advice of leaving. SO I want to be silly as well: nobody is forcing you to follow this thread so just leave it.
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And again What you call whining, that is obvious that cannot be changed into something more specific, has the only intent to open other colleagues' eyes. That's it !
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"Heard a rumour one of the guys got sacked but then wasn't allowed to leave"
I have not been on here for a little while due to travel and also so that I would not prejudice this guy's chances of leaving Qatar. I heard from this guy a few days ago, he is now back in the UK. He was one of those fired in early May. Because he dared to challenge NAPT and lodge an appeal, NAPT would not provide him with an exit visa! Therefore he has been kept in Qatar until last week against his will and is owed 3-4 months salary and benefits. He had to drop the case to aid his exit from Qatar. There was no valid reason for NAPT to keep him there as he had no debt (All loans and credit cards paid off), no criminal cases against him, he tells me that he even went to the CID to prove this and they agreed that there was no reason for the company to deny him exit.He is a regular contributor to PPRUNE and I'm sure that in the fullness of time he will tell his side of what has and is happening in Qatar.If this thread does not make people think twice about taking a job with NAPT and the QEAF then nothing will. It would seem that the "grand fromage" lures people there with the promise of large salaries and luxury living. He then cuts salaries for trivial reasons and will fire you without notice, real reason or cause and withhold pay and benefits. NAPT did not abide by the Qatari labour laws on several accounts (no, surprise there) and it would seem that the contracts that everyone signs are worth less than the paper they are printed on. The luxury living idea seems to be big villas that are sparsely equipped, to achieve the standard it has to be self-financed. Some people I hear are still waiting for reimbursement of school fees as NAPT conveniently keep losing the receipts that are submitted. They have a hold on those who have children in education there as they do not settle school fee bills until months after submission. It will be interesting to see how many stay as their first anniversaries in Qatar approach and if NAPT decide not to pay the annual bonus for whatever reason.
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Unfortunately what Stn120 said is ALL CORRECT and just the top of the iceberg about having to deal with this people !!! Adroight and Sandstruck of course think that screwing a man's life is something not important and to share with the net ... for some reason ...