Need advice (PPL training)
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Need advice (PPL training)
Hi there,
My long term goal is to become a professional pilot.
Initially, my short term goal (or my first step) is to get the PPL(H) in order to fly in France.
Where I live, I have only access to a S-300C which costs 600 USD per hour.
Currently, the price of the private license at this rate is too high for me.
I found a school in Oregon which offer R22 training at 214 USD per hour.
I am considering the possibility of doing my training there, converting my FAA license to a JAA one, and then complete the S-300C type rating course.
Hence my questions :
There is a school in Florida which is approved by the JAA. Does someone know if this school accepts a student who just wants to convert his private license ? As they are used to deal with FAA and JAA licenses, I guess the convertion would be faster than with the french DGAC.
I've recently heard of the EASA. What will change about the convertion, and till when have I time to do it with the JAA rules ?
Once in Europe with the FAA and JAA PPL(H), what would I need to keep the FAA license valid ?
Thank you for your help.
My long term goal is to become a professional pilot.
Initially, my short term goal (or my first step) is to get the PPL(H) in order to fly in France.
Where I live, I have only access to a S-300C which costs 600 USD per hour.
Currently, the price of the private license at this rate is too high for me.
I found a school in Oregon which offer R22 training at 214 USD per hour.
I am considering the possibility of doing my training there, converting my FAA license to a JAA one, and then complete the S-300C type rating course.
Hence my questions :
There is a school in Florida which is approved by the JAA. Does someone know if this school accepts a student who just wants to convert his private license ? As they are used to deal with FAA and JAA licenses, I guess the convertion would be faster than with the french DGAC.
I've recently heard of the EASA. What will change about the convertion, and till when have I time to do it with the JAA rules ?
Once in Europe with the FAA and JAA PPL(H), what would I need to keep the FAA license valid ?
Thank you for your help.
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I wrote an article on this for Blades Magazine about two years ago. PM me and I’ll send you a copy. An S300C at USD600/hr is extortionate. You’ll come out better price-wise doing both FAA and JAA (soon to be EASA).
Unlike our JAA licenses, your FAA PPL (H) is quite simple and less expensive to keep. The license doesn’t expire, for an extra £60 you can find an AME to give you both medicals at the same time (Class II lasting 2yrs for 40ish year olds) and you only require a biennial flight review (BFR) every two years. The best bit is the FAA PPL (H) doesn’t have type ratings (and requisite expensive annual LPCs) for each helicopter. All helicopters under 5700kg* are lumped together.
* The “Cut & Paste Brigade” can correct me if the weight limit is incorrect, I didn’t bother to check – it’s from memory
Unlike our JAA licenses, your FAA PPL (H) is quite simple and less expensive to keep. The license doesn’t expire, for an extra £60 you can find an AME to give you both medicals at the same time (Class II lasting 2yrs for 40ish year olds) and you only require a biennial flight review (BFR) every two years. The best bit is the FAA PPL (H) doesn’t have type ratings (and requisite expensive annual LPCs) for each helicopter. All helicopters under 5700kg* are lumped together.
* The “Cut & Paste Brigade” can correct me if the weight limit is incorrect, I didn’t bother to check – it’s from memory
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Where I live, I have only access to a S-300C which costs 600 USD per hour.
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600USD is 381 Sterling (UK Pounds) at the current rate
I did my PPL in the UK on a "C" in 2003 and then it cost £316 an hour.
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Whirls
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Indeed Davy, when you're learning ...
However, me and me Da in a "C" and I didn't have to do any sums. If I'd taken him flying in a CBi, I would have had to have done some fuel and W&B checks.
Cheers
Whirls
However, me and me Da in a "C" and I didn't have to do any sums. If I'd taken him flying in a CBi, I would have had to have done some fuel and W&B checks.
Cheers
Whirls
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This law doesn't seem to apply where I live. There is a CBi at $650 an hour (£413) near my airport.
However, me and me Da in a "C" and I didn't have to do any sums. If I'd taken him flying in a CBi, I would have had to have done some fuel and W&B checks.
Dave
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Sadly Davy, the issue of "C" vs "CBi" doesn't arise as me Da is no longer with us. 
But I still think a CBi is better than an R22 for W&B ... and for training ... and for handling ... and for ... er... having fun
Cheers
Whirls
But I still think a CBi is better than an R22 for W&B ... and for training ... and for handling ... and for ... er... having fun
Cheers
Whirls
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Does it really matter what you learn in...? Especially for those out there that have to pay their own way. Get the PPL the cheapest way possible, because that's all it is.... a PPL. It's the first step in the whole expensive process of eventually becoming a commercial pilot. You'll learn all about flying as a working pilot later on, not during ab initio training...
My 2 cents: learning on the weakest machine at high density altitude is the best way as you will never have to worry about flying on limits again...
My 2 cents: learning on the weakest machine at high density altitude is the best way as you will never have to worry about flying on limits again...
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@S64
Your best and probably cheapest bet would be the JAA and FAA -PPL on the S300 at Bristow in FL.
The C/CB/CBi are all the same rating, no conversion required. You just might want to get familiar with flying from the left seat (C).
If I remember correctly the school in OR only has one 300, bad for you if that is down for maintenance or too many students want to run it at the same time.
Tickets to the west coast might be more expensive, travel time is longer, of course.
Your best and probably cheapest bet would be the JAA and FAA -PPL on the S300 at Bristow in FL.
The C/CB/CBi are all the same rating, no conversion required. You just might want to get familiar with flying from the left seat (C).
If I remember correctly the school in OR only has one 300, bad for you if that is down for maintenance or too many students want to run it at the same time.
Tickets to the west coast might be more expensive, travel time is longer, of course.
Last edited by GoodGrief; 8th March 2012 at 14:41.
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Thank you for your answers.
Yes I've looked at Bristow in FL, but the prices are more expensive than in the Oregon/Montana aera. They also apply a post/pre flight tax which increases considerably the cost of the flight hour to $383 against ~ $250/290 in the North-West.
Yes I've looked at Bristow in FL, but the prices are more expensive than in the Oregon/Montana aera. They also apply a post/pre flight tax which increases considerably the cost of the flight hour to $383 against ~ $250/290 in the North-West.
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Judging from the price and location, you're looking at Jerry Trimble's operation in McMinnville, Oregon. I got my PPL there (after a false start somewhere else) and I would recommend them to anyone and everyone who's prepared to listen.
--Dave
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@S64
I just re-read your post.
Your main goal for now is the JAA-PPL(H).
It looks like you have lost overview of your project already.
Download the FCL-2 from your DGAC webite and read.All of it.
In order to convert from FAA to JAA it is not enough to show up with a fresh private, you need a total of 100 hours of helicopter time in order to do so.
Now, recalculate: 100 hours at your favourite school.
Flight ticket to Florida, licence conversion with ground school, written test and flight with an examiner.On top of that 6 hours type rating + examiner on H300.
All of that takes time, every day costs you hotel, food and car rental.
I looked at the prices of that McMinville school. They cannot be correct.
It lists $214 per hour including instructor, others in the same are charge $220 solo plus $44 for the CFI.
The school only quotes 40 hours total and 10 hours of that are fixed wing training. Hello....
Now, back to the drawing board
I just re-read your post.
Your main goal for now is the JAA-PPL(H).
It looks like you have lost overview of your project already.
Download the FCL-2 from your DGAC webite and read.All of it.
In order to convert from FAA to JAA it is not enough to show up with a fresh private, you need a total of 100 hours of helicopter time in order to do so.
Now, recalculate: 100 hours at your favourite school.
Flight ticket to Florida, licence conversion with ground school, written test and flight with an examiner.On top of that 6 hours type rating + examiner on H300.
All of that takes time, every day costs you hotel, food and car rental.
I looked at the prices of that McMinville school. They cannot be correct.
It lists $214 per hour including instructor, others in the same are charge $220 solo plus $44 for the CFI.
The school only quotes 40 hours total and 10 hours of that are fixed wing training. Hello....
Now, back to the drawing board
Last edited by GoodGrief; 11th March 2012 at 11:14.