View Poll Results: Would you buy a Rotorheads Around the World book of photos?
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I'm with Savoia...
Regarding charities etc. allow me to share my own sentiments. I'm a firm believer that charity begins at home. In fact if this principle were applied more frequently less 'external' charity would be required.
I would like to see any profits (little or large) going directly to people connected to this forum. Is their an ex-Rotorheads member who has perished in the line of duty? Does he/she have surviving family? If so what is their situation - are they in need of assistance?
I would like to see any profits (little or large) going directly to people connected to this forum. Is their an ex-Rotorheads member who has perished in the line of duty? Does he/she have surviving family? If so what is their situation - are they in need of assistance?
1) Openly publish a full statement of account once the first print run is completed.
2) Set up a 'Rotorheads' account into which all profit is placed.
3) Allow the 'Rotorheads Fraternity' to decide (perhaps via a poll made by members of more than 5 years standing [or other criteria]) in response to suggestions made by the same.
2) Set up a 'Rotorheads' account into which all profit is placed.
3) Allow the 'Rotorheads Fraternity' to decide (perhaps via a poll made by members of more than 5 years standing [or other criteria]) in response to suggestions made by the same.
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I would like to see any profits (little or large) going directly to people connected to this forum. Is their an ex-Rotorheads member who has perished in the line of duty? Does he/she have surviving family? If so what is their situation - are they in need of assistance?
Just wondering.
Ok then Gordy, I know of three people connected to this group who have died, and you probably know others, so how is it decided who is a more worthy cause than someone else.
Bottom line .. a) project cost transparency .. b) profits into a 'Rotorheads' account .. c) disbursement of profits agreed with consensus of Rotorheads community.
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Benet
Good on you for taking the initiative. I will take a couple of copies (have voted). If you are intending to give the profit to a charity - you are a great guy! I am happy to trust that you will do the right thing, pick a couple of good causes, etc. I am not intersted in seeing the accounts.
I am looking forward to seeing the finished article. I will dig through my photos to see if anything is worthy; the only thing I can think of (as being sufficiently unusual and high quality shot) is the wreckage of my 120 after her crash at Redhill. Would you want something like that?
John
Good on you for taking the initiative. I will take a couple of copies (have voted). If you are intending to give the profit to a charity - you are a great guy! I am happy to trust that you will do the right thing, pick a couple of good causes, etc. I am not intersted in seeing the accounts.
I am looking forward to seeing the finished article. I will dig through my photos to see if anything is worthy; the only thing I can think of (as being sufficiently unusual and high quality shot) is the wreckage of my 120 after her crash at Redhill. Would you want something like that?
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Thanks John... I hope there are others out there with your attitude: so far I've come up against a lot of worthy talk and some open cynicism, but your encouragement is a rare thing. Maybe I will see this project through!
I will definitely give a chunk of it to charity, although with a print run of 200-300 (on present poll results) we're not talking about a huge amount of money. I also intend to cover my costs, and don't intend to spend my time messing around with accounts. I stand by my earlier commitments - 10% of takings unless someone steps up to cover my costs, in which case, 100% of takings.
So far, nobody has offered to stump up the costs, but I live in hope. In the meantime - and for the next three months - the email box is open and your photos are welcome at [email protected]
I wouldn't expect photographers to contribute their work unless there was a charitable cause, but I'm a bit despondent about the shortage of suggestions. One charity I support regularly is the Disasters Emergency Committee - not directly related to aviation, but very fast to the scene when water, blankets and tents are really needed and a worthy cause.
I will definitely give a chunk of it to charity, although with a print run of 200-300 (on present poll results) we're not talking about a huge amount of money. I also intend to cover my costs, and don't intend to spend my time messing around with accounts. I stand by my earlier commitments - 10% of takings unless someone steps up to cover my costs, in which case, 100% of takings.
So far, nobody has offered to stump up the costs, but I live in hope. In the meantime - and for the next three months - the email box is open and your photos are welcome at [email protected]
I wouldn't expect photographers to contribute their work unless there was a charitable cause, but I'm a bit despondent about the shortage of suggestions. One charity I support regularly is the Disasters Emergency Committee - not directly related to aviation, but very fast to the scene when water, blankets and tents are really needed and a worthy cause.
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I'd like to set a couple of 'ground rules' if this project is to continue under the auspices of a Rotorheads thread.
I (naturally?) assumed when approached that this would be a not-for-profit project with Benet offering his talents to co-ordinate the photos and publishing. I would not see it otherwise.
I completely agree that the profits should go to charity or charities. If it were to be an in house Rotorheads charity then my initial thought would be something like a donation to GAPAN for their Scholarships, or similarly to Dennis K's Scholarship. I accept the regional issue in this, and understand that it should be debated here.
Finally, the concept is RATW photos from the existing thread. If they aren't on the thread, they aren't in the book
The older photos may have resolution issues, but Benet will be able to advise and use his experience here.
I (naturally?) assumed when approached that this would be a not-for-profit project with Benet offering his talents to co-ordinate the photos and publishing. I would not see it otherwise.
I completely agree that the profits should go to charity or charities. If it were to be an in house Rotorheads charity then my initial thought would be something like a donation to GAPAN for their Scholarships, or similarly to Dennis K's Scholarship. I accept the regional issue in this, and understand that it should be debated here.
Finally, the concept is RATW photos from the existing thread. If they aren't on the thread, they aren't in the book
The older photos may have resolution issues, but Benet will be able to advise and use his experience here.
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I'll have one for sure! Great idea, Benet, and as far as I am concerned, I don't mind where the money goes from a geographical point of view, but I do agree with Senior Pilot that it could go to one of the scholarship funds.
Since this a a global effort any thought to approaching an established organization such as "National Geographic" or a European publication to do an inital story "Views from the cockpit" to lay the foundation of a publication and generate a wider audience?
This may help with costs as well(?)
This may help with costs as well(?)
If the book was sold at cost to members only.....then no need for the argument over which charity. If copies were sold on the open market to non-members and the total profit were donated to some charity selected by a forum vote then that should answer the questions in my mind.
Donating Ten Percent of the profit to a charity seems a bit mean.
Donating Ten Percent of the profit to a charity seems a bit mean.
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Frankly, I'm losing the will to live. Or at least, spend hours rounding up the original contributors to this thread to get them to re-contribute their work at print resolution. You can't do this just by scraping the pictures off the internet.
SASless, I'm talking about 10% of the takings, not 10% of the profits. If you pay £25 for the book, then £2.50 goes to charity. Does everybody mind if I make what might be a couple of hundred pounds as a reward for the necessary work? I haven't been inundated with offers to help, or pay the costs, and I'm beginning to understand why!
SASless, I'm talking about 10% of the takings, not 10% of the profits. If you pay £25 for the book, then £2.50 goes to charity. Does everybody mind if I make what might be a couple of hundred pounds as a reward for the necessary work? I haven't been inundated with offers to help, or pay the costs, and I'm beginning to understand why!
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Benet.
Good morning from the rainy frozen North of the UK, I will take 5 copies as soon as the job is done, and if any more are needed to be delivered to people here in the North I will sort that out for you.
Many regards
Peter Russell-Blackburn
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formerly VfrpilotPB
Good morning from the rainy frozen North of the UK, I will take 5 copies as soon as the job is done, and if any more are needed to be delivered to people here in the North I will sort that out for you.
Many regards
Peter Russell-Blackburn
Lancashire
formerly VfrpilotPB
Frankly, I'm losing the will to live. Or at least, spend hours rounding up the original contributors to this thread to get them to re-contribute their work at print resolution.
I would imagine that to source the material for the production of a 'Rotorheads book' would take nothing less than 18 months to accomplish .. or were you not aware of the extent of the commitment likely to be involved in a project like this?
I have talked to 2 publishers of small book runs I know personally & the opinion is the same as Benet, you require high resolution, a release form for the book, with a royalty if used for any other purpose.
The amount of work is much larger time consuming than just printing & will take a huge amount of effort.
I would presume Benit is a commercial printer ? who is prepared to give time & effort free or at a reduced rate.
Should have said HUGE amount of work.
The amount of work is much larger time consuming than just printing & will take a huge amount of effort.
I would presume Benit is a commercial printer ? who is prepared to give time & effort free or at a reduced rate.
Should have said HUGE amount of work.
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Personally, I have no objections to Benet making a few quid on what would undoubtedly be a ball-breakingly difficult task of successfully delivering such a book. If there's some cash for a charity, some cash for Benet and a nice book full of high-res pictures for RATW'ers to enjoy and share, everyone wins. What's wrong with that?! However, I don't think the project will be viable unless there is a bit more commitment from the Rotorheads; a couple of hundred books will probably not even be worthwhile and is hardly likely to change anyone's lifestyle!
What are the costs likely to be? I know a good printer who could print and bind at 'mate's rates', but I think we'd need a simple business plan showing what the minimum volume would need to be to make it worth doing at all.
What are the costs likely to be? I know a good printer who could print and bind at 'mate's rates', but I think we'd need a simple business plan showing what the minimum volume would need to be to make it worth doing at all.
