Avgas allergic reaction...
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Avgas allergic reaction...
Few days ago I spilled some Avgas over me.
In all my wisdom I leaned against the fueldrain of an R44,
soaking my pants.
(While giving a pax-briefing... hpmf).
Sitting in the middle of a large apron away from base, I decided to fly.
Felt a light burning feeling and afterwards, my skin turned red.
Has been like this for some days, only slowly it goes away.
That made me think, how bad/toxic is this stuff actually?
I know about the lead, should I be worried?
FTF
In all my wisdom I leaned against the fueldrain of an R44,
soaking my pants.
(While giving a pax-briefing... hpmf).Sitting in the middle of a large apron away from base, I decided to fly.
Felt a light burning feeling and afterwards, my skin turned red.
Has been like this for some days, only slowly it goes away.
That made me think, how bad/toxic is this stuff actually?
I know about the lead, should I be worried?
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avgas on skin.
Full travel,
you have been chemical burnt not allergic. The fuel works as a defatting agent that has been worked into your skin by clothing.
Get some burns dressing/spray, keep very clean and if it goes pussy or smelly see a doctor/medic asap.
A read of the MSDS for Avgas will provide further background.
Some crew have been burnt whilst removing contaminated clothing when it has lit off.
YOU ARE VERY LUCKY!.
you have been chemical burnt not allergic. The fuel works as a defatting agent that has been worked into your skin by clothing.
Get some burns dressing/spray, keep very clean and if it goes pussy or smelly see a doctor/medic asap.
A read of the MSDS for Avgas will provide further background.
Some crew have been burnt whilst removing contaminated clothing when it has lit off.
YOU ARE VERY LUCKY!.
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Its not really "toxic" per se, no more than car petrol i would think. If it's dodgy in a few days, see a GP, it's nothing to worry about.
Or maybe stop the passenger briefings, give them a laminated card instead.
Or maybe stop the passenger briefings, give them a laminated card instead.
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Thanks for the replies and advice.
No dizziness or anything else, just an irritated skin,
so I guess it'll be okay.
Another lesson learned, never give a pax-brief!
FTF
No dizziness or anything else, just an irritated skin,
so I guess it'll be okay.
Another lesson learned, never give a pax-brief!
FTF
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us engineers can spend hours messing about in fuel tanks with fuel going everywhere.
normally apart from the smell you cant get rid of for ages, you go a bit red and itchy but thats about it. its because it strips the moisture/fats from your skin. if you get it on your clothes its best to try to change out of them as soon as you can. but not till you know you are done doing what you are doing!! wash thourghly and use some of your wifes best moisturiser on it!
i usually find having a long soak in the bath is good for the itch and the smell!
normally apart from the smell you cant get rid of for ages, you go a bit red and itchy but thats about it. its because it strips the moisture/fats from your skin. if you get it on your clothes its best to try to change out of them as soon as you can. but not till you know you are done doing what you are doing!! wash thourghly and use some of your wifes best moisturiser on it!
i usually find having a long soak in the bath is good for the itch and the smell!
If I had a red patch after being out with Max Mosley, I think it'd need more than a hot soak to take the itch away!! Join Date: Nov 2007
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Don't laugh. Whenever I get Avgas on my fingers, my skin starts peeling off, real ugly. I understand that it is easily absorbed by the skin as opposed to it dripping off like water.
Nevertheless, one of my ex-instructors swore by the stuff. He even habitually washed his hands under the aircraft's fuel drains before every flight !
Nevertheless, one of my ex-instructors swore by the stuff. He even habitually washed his hands under the aircraft's fuel drains before every flight !
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If you got off with only a "red patch'" you got off lightly. I spilled some on myself many years ago. It ran through my overall, down my ribs and into the top of my trousers. It evaporated very quickly. No problem. I had spilt it on me before with no side effects.
About twenty minutes later, in flight, I felt a burning sensation begin under my belt. I wasn't on fire but it soon began to feel like it. The pain became excruciating.
Luckily I was in a situation where I could land and quickly investigate. The skin on my hip, where the belt had prevented evaporation, was red and then turned black - the same black that you get if you spilled silver nitrate (IIRC) on your skin in chemistry class. It tooks a month or two to recover. I was more careful after that little incident.
About twenty minutes later, in flight, I felt a burning sensation begin under my belt. I wasn't on fire but it soon began to feel like it. The pain became excruciating.
Luckily I was in a situation where I could land and quickly investigate. The skin on my hip, where the belt had prevented evaporation, was red and then turned black - the same black that you get if you spilled silver nitrate (IIRC) on your skin in chemistry class. It tooks a month or two to recover. I was more careful after that little incident.
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....similar to you, I got the strap of my undies
now tatooed in red on my hip.
Its slowly fading, so I guess I got lucky...
Not lucky with the R44 though, that fueldrain
(left side) is in a stupid spot (and leaks).
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now tatooed in red on my hip.
Its slowly fading, so I guess I got lucky...
Not lucky with the R44 though, that fueldrain
(left side) is in a stupid spot (and leaks).
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Guys
I think I'm allergic to Avgas too.
Every time I fill the R44 I've been flying I get tears in my eyes, my blood pressure rises and I feel quite sick. Almost like I've been stung !!! Which of course I have been !!!!
Bring back my JetBox..................
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I think I'm allergic to Avgas too.
Every time I fill the R44 I've been flying I get tears in my eyes, my blood pressure rises and I feel quite sick. Almost like I've been stung !!! Which of course I have been !!!!
Bring back my JetBox..................
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I knew I'd had that feeling before.
By the way, have you had that squeaky step on your staircase fixed yet ?
I hope not coz if I don't here the key turning in the lock the squeaky step is my last line of defence !!!!
Joel
By the way, have you had that squeaky step on your staircase fixed yet ?
I hope not coz if I don't here the key turning in the lock the squeaky step is my last line of defence !!!!
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Its got Lead bromide in it - or more accurately, it produces lead bromide when the TEL reacts with ethyl dibromide and sunlight will initiate that. The lead part will remain on your clothes after the volatile fuel has evaporated.
Probably not a good idea to wash your hands in it
From sciencelab.com; -Lead Bromide
Potential Acute Health Effects:
Extremely hazardous in case of ingestion. Very hazardous in case of inhalation. Hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant, permeator), of eye contact (irritant). Corrosive to eyes and skin. The amount of tissue damage depends on length of contact. Eye contact can result in corneal damage or blindness. Skin contact can produce inflammation and blistering. Inhalation of dust will produce irritation to gastro-intestinal or respiratory tract, characterized by burning, sneezing and coughing. Severe over-exposure can produce lung damage, choking, unconsciousness or death.
Potential Chronic Health Effects:
Extremely hazardous in case of ingestion. Very hazardous in case of inhalation. Hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant, permeator), of eye contact (irritant). CARCINOGENIC EFFECTS: Classified 2B (Possible for human.) by IARC. MUTAGENIC EFFECTS: Not available. TERATOGENIC EFFECTS: Not available. DEVELOPMENTAL TOXICITY: Not available. The substance is toxic to blood, kidneys, the nervous system, mucous membranes. Repeated or prolonged exposure to the substance can produce target organs damage. Repeated exposure of the eyes to a low level of dust can produce eye irritation. Repeated skin exposure can produce local skin destruction, or dermatitis. Repeated inhalation of dust can produce varying degree of respiratory irritation or lung damage. Repeated exposure to an highly toxic material may produce general deterioration of health by an accumulation in one or many human organs.
ethyl dibromide is a skin irritant too.
Lead is not good either: From Wiki:
Lead is a toxic metal that accumulates and has subtle and insidious neurotoxic effects especially at low exposure levels, such as low IQ and antisocial behavior.
Hmm. I can think of a few on here its got to!
Probably not a good idea to wash your hands in it
From sciencelab.com; -Lead Bromide
Potential Acute Health Effects:
Extremely hazardous in case of ingestion. Very hazardous in case of inhalation. Hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant, permeator), of eye contact (irritant). Corrosive to eyes and skin. The amount of tissue damage depends on length of contact. Eye contact can result in corneal damage or blindness. Skin contact can produce inflammation and blistering. Inhalation of dust will produce irritation to gastro-intestinal or respiratory tract, characterized by burning, sneezing and coughing. Severe over-exposure can produce lung damage, choking, unconsciousness or death.
Potential Chronic Health Effects:
Extremely hazardous in case of ingestion. Very hazardous in case of inhalation. Hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant, permeator), of eye contact (irritant). CARCINOGENIC EFFECTS: Classified 2B (Possible for human.) by IARC. MUTAGENIC EFFECTS: Not available. TERATOGENIC EFFECTS: Not available. DEVELOPMENTAL TOXICITY: Not available. The substance is toxic to blood, kidneys, the nervous system, mucous membranes. Repeated or prolonged exposure to the substance can produce target organs damage. Repeated exposure of the eyes to a low level of dust can produce eye irritation. Repeated skin exposure can produce local skin destruction, or dermatitis. Repeated inhalation of dust can produce varying degree of respiratory irritation or lung damage. Repeated exposure to an highly toxic material may produce general deterioration of health by an accumulation in one or many human organs.
ethyl dibromide is a skin irritant too.
Lead is not good either: From Wiki:
Lead is a toxic metal that accumulates and has subtle and insidious neurotoxic effects especially at low exposure levels, such as low IQ and antisocial behavior.
Hmm. I can think of a few on here its got to!
Last edited by Gaseous; 14th Jul 2011 at 19:06. Reason: to correct my failing memory
