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When I was a baby helicopter pilot, one of the most loudly voiced dangers one could face was to get caught up in an active thunderstorm. I was shocked to witness an army Apache carrying out general handling (I assume) for about 30 mins during a thunderstorm with lightning, thunder, heavy rain etc, etc [****WELL] Do they not react in the same way as other helicopters in such conditions or were the pilots just foolish?
I suspect that many have stories of being caught out in these conditions, perhaps it would be of interest to hear some.
I suspect that many have stories of being caught out in these conditions, perhaps it would be of interest to hear some.
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Can't say I enjoyed the experience
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Just because they are flying an Apache does not mean that they are experienced pilots. Perhaps it was their first experience of flying near a CB and maybe it will be their last.
I was a 250 hour PIC Army pilot when, through ignorance, I flew too close to a CB in a Gazelle. Taught me to be very respectful of them. ****WELL indeed.
I was a 250 hour PIC Army pilot when, through ignorance, I flew too close to a CB in a Gazelle. Taught me to be very respectful of them. ****WELL indeed.
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It wouldn't do the machine any good at all. There have been a number of incidents on the North Sea in recent years. Don't think any have resulted directly in fatalities although one fatal accident was due to a lightning strike on a main rotor blade some time previously. The blade was damaged and eventually failed during a later flight.
My own experience did not include a lightning strike but the memorable and terrifying effects of turbulence, lightning flashes and torrential rain were all that I needed to make sure that I will never go near one again. At one point I had no control over the rate of climb/descent and just had to hang on, make sure I didn't overtorque or exceed the Nr limits and just watch the VSI in horror.
These days thankfully I have a weather radar to help see and avoid and not just the MK1 eyeball. It is recommended that you avoid CB's by at least 10nm but that all depends on how big they are.
My own experience did not include a lightning strike but the memorable and terrifying effects of turbulence, lightning flashes and torrential rain were all that I needed to make sure that I will never go near one again. At one point I had no control over the rate of climb/descent and just had to hang on, make sure I didn't overtorque or exceed the Nr limits and just watch the VSI in horror.
These days thankfully I have a weather radar to help see and avoid and not just the MK1 eyeball. It is recommended that you avoid CB's by at least 10nm but that all depends on how big they are.
This video (though exagerating when animating the autorotation) is quite interesting to watch. Do helicopters on the north sea really get hit by lightning on a regular basis? This cant be true
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This video (though exagerating when animating the autorotation) is quite interesting to watch. Do helicopters on the north sea really get hit by lightning on a regular basis? This cant be true
I believe many people fly around in thunderstorms due to ignorance or inexperience, but for those of us who have seen and experienced their effects, it is something we treat with extreme caution in a helicopter. When you consider the potential of damage to one blade on the outcome of your successful flight you may think twice. Not so dramatic in a fixed wing, but bloody scary in a helicopter. The simple answer is - YES it is bloody dangerous and bloody unpredictable. If lightning is being observed - be somewhere else and wait until it moves away. It generally does not hang around very long. 30 mins usually is enough (not always - google supercells) If it is forecast take extra holding fuel and have a backup plan and landing area alternate.
Don't think any have resulted directly in fatalities although one fatal accident was due to a lightning strike on a main rotor blade some time previously
When I was young and foolish (April 1999), I flew under a very ugly looking cloud in my then R22 on the way back from the West country, using the simple judgement that as there were gliders around and using the thermals, it couldn't be that dangerous. It was a little rough and I recall feeling really quite apprehensive until I was well clear of the nasty stuff.
I then read about his incident shortly afterwards....
BBC News | UK | Glider pair's lightning reactions
Reconstructed on 999 here:
I think I used one of my 9 lives that day....
I then read about his incident shortly afterwards....
BBC News | UK | Glider pair's lightning reactions
Reconstructed on 999 here:
I think I used one of my 9 lives that day....
Usually it is not lightning that poses the real hazard as most have agreed. I can safely say that anyone who has experienced a genuine nasty assed thunderstorm never ever wants to renew that experience. We are not talking about those that merely knock you about a bit....show you a bright flash or two...perhaps some small frozen precip but those really really black ugly nasty things that give Atheists religion!
They will change your attitude about your own invulnerability and mortality!
Come to Kansas Toto....those are the kind I am talking about!
They will change your attitude about your own invulnerability and mortality!
Come to Kansas Toto....those are the kind I am talking about!