Campaign Against Aviation licence changes
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Campaign Against Aviation licence changes
Does anyone understand what is happening re licences ? I thought i had got away from the lunatics by flying on my FAA ticket ...now it looks like they will stop people using what is a very simple and effective licence . ( No type ratings / night rating etc bliss 
) If the morons who run the CAA are going to take over ALL licences being used in this country that is a v bad day for aviation . We will have to do all the idiotic nonsense of type ratings, use VOR,s in training that we will never have on our aircraft, have people with thousands of hrs on a type who then have to be trained by someone with 50 hrs ....... etc etc . Hopefully i have got this wrong, but if not, all of us who have flown happily on an FAA ticket will now have to join CAA lala land with all of its nonsense designed to keep the twits in a job and make flying as miserable as they can make it !!!
Can we not just all make a stand and sack the lot and start again with some common sense added ?????????????!!!!!!
) If the morons who run the CAA are going to take over ALL licences being used in this country that is a v bad day for aviation . We will have to do all the idiotic nonsense of type ratings, use VOR,s in training that we will never have on our aircraft, have people with thousands of hrs on a type who then have to be trained by someone with 50 hrs ....... etc etc . Hopefully i have got this wrong, but if not, all of us who have flown happily on an FAA ticket will now have to join CAA lala land with all of its nonsense designed to keep the twits in a job and make flying as miserable as they can make it !!!Can we not just all make a stand and sack the lot and start again with some common sense added ?????????????!!!!!!
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Why should you be allowed to use your FAA ticket without any form of validation or periodic checking to operate aircraft maintained (or not) to unpoliced/unpoliceable standards for as long as you wish?
If you bring an EU registered car into the UK you are only allowed to keep it here for a limited time before doing the honest thing and registering it locally. You have to obtain a UK driving licence after, I think, a year. Why should you be able to keep a non Eu reg aircraft here indefinately with no way for the national authority to have any jurisdiction over its maintenance or use?
Sounds fine to me.
If you bring an EU registered car into the UK you are only allowed to keep it here for a limited time before doing the honest thing and registering it locally. You have to obtain a UK driving licence after, I think, a year. Why should you be able to keep a non Eu reg aircraft here indefinately with no way for the national authority to have any jurisdiction over its maintenance or use?
Sounds fine to me.
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Nigelh, does this affect me coming to visit UK and wanting to use my FAA ticket, or does it only apply to residents?
I always appreciated the blanket ICAO validation in the UK ANO as some refreshing common sense.
Keeping my two tickets up is pain enough without having to add a third JAA ticket for the few hrs a year I do in the UK.
I always appreciated the blanket ICAO validation in the UK ANO as some refreshing common sense.
Keeping my two tickets up is pain enough without having to add a third JAA ticket for the few hrs a year I do in the UK.
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I believe from reading the proposed regs that in one sentence they manage to dismiss your FAA licence and say if you fly an EASA aircraft as designated in CAP747 then you need an EASA licence end of (argument).
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http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/620/c-May2011v3.pdf
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/620/d-FAQM...paper%20v3.pdf
these two links give you the full low down.
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/620/d-FAQM...paper%20v3.pdf
these two links give you the full low down.
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but as i read it this will apply if you are flying G reg machines that do comply with regs . I fail to see why the CAA, who have shown a complete lack of any understanding of aviation, should decide that they will do a better job !! All of us who have worked with both the FAA and CAA will agree that the CAA makes things unworkable / expensive /complicated ....to the extent that if you are unsure of the legality of a flight and call them .....they will not know the answer and will tell you to do what you think is correct and they will try to prosecute you if they disagree !!! There are a number of very well respected pilots / instructors out there who know this to their cost . Luckily however the stupidity also affects their prosecutions ...thats why they try to prosecute rarely and very often lose . For over 10 years i have flown what some believe are illegal flight,s ......however the CAA have been very aware and i have on record many of my questions and their answers .
Is there a problem with safety etc with FAA pilots ?? As i said earlier , i havent bothered keep my licence up to date due to the cost and confusion as to what i actually have to do to keep all my ratings up to date . Ticking lots of boxes does not make you a safer pilot IMHO .
Is there a problem with safety etc with FAA pilots ?? As i said earlier , i havent bothered keep my licence up to date due to the cost and confusion as to what i actually have to do to keep all my ratings up to date . Ticking lots of boxes does not make you a safer pilot IMHO .
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Ok so i can fly until 2014 on my CAA ticket and until 2015 , but only if i fly say an MD500 ......but not a 206 . Thats really clear and sounds really well thought out . Well done all you guys and gals at CAA / EASA etc :
This is going to be a right f***k up for sure with loads of pilots not knowing if they are legal or not or have an imc or not ........ typical
This is going to be a right f***k up for sure with loads of pilots not knowing if they are legal or not or have an imc or not ........ typical
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no one is arguing with you that a trained pilot with an FAA licence is more dangerous than a pilot with a JAA licence but unless we leave the EU (fat chance) and the CAA are in charge again than I guess we have to comply with regs (OMIGOD do EASA love the phrase comply).
I think for comply you can translate as bend over and make sure you are greased up because for sure they won't care.
I think for comply you can translate as bend over and make sure you are greased up because for sure they won't care.
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Ok then, I have a JAA CPL(H) but now live in the US, does this allow me to fly here. No not without a licence issued by the FAA. So all this seems to be doing is fitting in with the rest of the world.
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And if it was as easy and as cheap to get a CAA/JAA/whoever it is this week/etc. licence based on a foreign (eg FAA) one as it is the other way around most people would have no objection...
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The problem is that it wont be as easy and cheap and if you fly many types you will have to maintain a rating on each type which can be v expensive
I think that in this country our usual apathy will ensure we get the system we deserve . Small operators are getting squeezed out of business due to over regulation , and soon there will be none left ( especially the small singles )....prices are getting higher and higher and less people are now flying for business or pleasure . The only people who benefit are the people who operate outside of the system as they can do flights a lot cheaper without all the red tape . I could now do flights profitably charging at least a third less than people saddled with the cost of an AOC ....does that sound fair or logical ??? Time will show who is right ...
I think that in this country our usual apathy will ensure we get the system we deserve . Small operators are getting squeezed out of business due to over regulation , and soon there will be none left ( especially the small singles )....prices are getting higher and higher and less people are now flying for business or pleasure . The only people who benefit are the people who operate outside of the system as they can do flights a lot cheaper without all the red tape . I could now do flights profitably charging at least a third less than people saddled with the cost of an AOC ....does that sound fair or logical ??? Time will show who is right ...
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You sound like a broken record. Just man up and get a proper licence, instead of skirting the real world licencing. All very well flying only on an FAA, but only because you can't be bothered and think you're above the CAA system. It works for so many people, but you're obviously a special case?
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You got it in one , v perseptive I am also thinking that maybe you only fly one maybe two types ?? If you were flying up to 10 types you would think differently maybe ? There are just so many stories about some of the most experienced pilots in the country having to get new ratings from their own students !!! God forbid if you needed a rating on some of the rarer birds like Allouette / Lama / 430 / Brantly etc you could be on a wild goose chase soon .
I am also thinking that maybe you only fly one maybe two types ?? If you were flying up to 10 types you would think differently maybe ? There are just so many stories about some of the most experienced pilots in the country having to get new ratings from their own students !!! God forbid if you needed a rating on some of the rarer birds like Allouette / Lama / 430 / Brantly etc you could be on a wild goose chase soon .
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You can pitch up in the US with any ICAO license and a certified copy of your logbook and the FAA will give you a (restricted) FAA ticket based on your ICAO license (restricted e.g. if you don't have a night rating).
The only difference is instead of going through the process below, the ANO currently gives you an automatic validation without the hassle of paperwork.
The two snags here (aside from potential night restriction) are that it takes 2-3 months for the FAA to validate your license with the relevant authority, and if anything happens to your foreign license your are stuffed (e.g. you are in the US for 2 years and miss a flight test in your home country, or can't get your foreign medical renewed because you are in the US, even though flying and keeping current).
Validations also (in my experience) expire after 2 years so you have to go through the process again; hence getting an FAA ticket in the first place.
In the US you can even get a full FAA ticket passing the written and doing a flight test if you have >100 hrs (incl. relevant night experience) - hardly a burden.
I don't read what nigelh is saying as don't fly without a license, just that keeping up multiple licenses and type ratings across each jurisdiction is not particularly practical; it's a paperwork exercise and does not make you a better or safer pilot.
Law's and regs are fine, though it is important not to loose sight of the forest for the tree's, which is most often the case when broad sweeping regs are created without understanding or reviewing their real-life implications.
Do you feel safer standing on the apron next to your large helicopter on a bright sunny day just because you are wearing a hi-vis vest?
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The new rules are EASA rules, and not specific CAA UK, so it applies to any European Country and citizen.
Many countries in Europe don't allow you to fly on an FAA ticket now, if you are a resident. Basically the UK and Ireland are the excemption.
I'm just stating facts not saying I agree.
Many countries in Europe don't allow you to fly on an FAA ticket now, if you are a resident. Basically the UK and Ireland are the excemption.
I'm just stating facts not saying I agree.
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Concerning type ratings and validations
This is an exempt from LASORS section F8
To me this is a reasonable regulation at least for SET. I am sure if you have flown less than 2 hours on a type within a year, even on a FAA ticket you would get some familiarisation again before an operator lets you go on your own and not everybody on a FAA and/or JAA ticket has x thousand hours and y hundred on type.
For single-engine turbine helicopters with a MTOM <3175 kg, the proficiency check in accordance with JAR-FCL 2.245 (b)(1) is only required on one of the applicable types held, provided that the applicant has:-
i. completed at least 300 hours as pilot in command of helicopters; and
ii. completed 15 hours as pilot on each of the type(s) to which that revalidation proficiency check shall carry across, and
iii. completed at least 2 hours as pilot-in-command flight time on each of the other type(s) during the validity period to which that revalidation proficiency
check shall carry across;
The proficiency check shall always be performed on the type least recently used for a proficiency check, unless an individual written permission has been given by the Authority.
i. completed at least 300 hours as pilot in command of helicopters; and
ii. completed 15 hours as pilot on each of the type(s) to which that revalidation proficiency check shall carry across, and
iii. completed at least 2 hours as pilot-in-command flight time on each of the other type(s) during the validity period to which that revalidation proficiency
check shall carry across;
The proficiency check shall always be performed on the type least recently used for a proficiency check, unless an individual written permission has been given by the Authority.
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Hiller......that sounds v reasonable initially but what happens if you are current on some of these types but dont have type ratings on your CAA licence . For instance i have 206, 500, Gazelle on my UK licence but have many hrs and am current on 480, 206L and 109 . Can i do my check on one of these or do i need to do a full type rating on all of them even if i have 100,s of hrs already ?? what are you supposed to do for 5 hrs training ....this could mean 20-30 hrs training for pilots who are already current and would be prohibitively expensive .
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Epiphany, a piece of paper is not going to make you any safer.
And before those who think the FAA system, or current UK ANO blanket validation is for unsafe cowboys...
Show me one operator or insurance co. that is going to allow you to just show up, take their expensive machine for a joyride, without getting to know you and do a check ride and possibly a minimum amount of dual.
This is the common sense reality.
And before those who think the FAA system, or current UK ANO blanket validation is for unsafe cowboys...
Show me one operator or insurance co. that is going to allow you to just show up, take their expensive machine for a joyride, without getting to know you and do a check ride and possibly a minimum amount of dual.
This is the common sense reality.
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Epiphany, a piece of paper is not going to make you any safer.