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Old 12th May 2011, 11:48
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Anyone heard that AW is soon going to announce the AW 189, a 16 passenger helicopter aimed at competing with the EC 175? Apparently, AW announced it at a recent industry gathering in the South of France.
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If the 139 already carries 15 pax, what's the point?
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AW139: 15+2
EC175: 15+2

Isnt Agusta already competing with it?
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Yes I also understand, Agusta is developing the AW189 as competition in the heavy market (S92 & EC225).

I am looking forward to tis kind of concept, together with the AW139, AW169 they will have a great range to compete with EC and Sik.

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That may be AW139 on "steroids" called AW149 originally stretched for military
market & tender in Turkey (lost against Sik) so that can be 18 PAX helicopter....
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MarkH1 wrote: Yes I also understand, Agusta is developing the AW189 as competition in the heavy market (S92 & EC225).
A shame that AW doesn't have a larger slice of the NHI pie and that there isn't more flexiblity in the terms relating to the ownership of design; otherwise, instead of starting from scratch, AW could have modified/improved the NH90 to fit this bill!

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Old 12th May 2011, 13:47
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...and not forgetting that they (ie AW) already have the EH101.
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Quite right B73. The 101 was such a long time emerging from its conceptualisation that its hard remembering the complete history of its introduction to service but, when they were EH Industries, didn't they try and push the 101 in front of the offshore operators?

A re-worked (lighter) twin variant would make a good contender to rival the S92 though.

While we're on this path .. just imagine if Westland had succeeded in getting the WG30 right. She could have been an effective precursor to what is now the 139 market.
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http://www.agustawestland.com/system...re%20Final.pdf

The AW website has a 18 seat AW149 8.6t. Rumour is that a Civ 19 seat verison is possible.
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Well said, I always thought the 139 looked like the flying shed (WG30)

Thank god it flies better..
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Will it have a tail rotor?
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For start for sure, later we will see
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the 189 will have a walkway from front to back it will be able to fit 18 pax and will come with an AW-made avionic suite (differs from 139)!

Monday the 20th it will all be presented..
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This story was in HeliData two weeks ago.It is the civil version of the AW149 and the prototype flew earlier this year.It arrived in Paris yesterday for the Show and will be unveiled Monday.
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the 189 will have a walkway from front to back it will be able to fit 18 pax and will come with an AW-made avionic suite (differs from 139)!
The S61 will do 19 and you can walk in it. It can use an avionics upgrade an a bit more power though. Very smooth machine too.

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18 PAX .

Maybe Ken and 17 of his Diddy Men, but not 18 riggies.
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Old 17th Jun 2011, 10:57
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"This story was in HeliData two weeks ago.It is the civil version of the AW149 and the prototype flew earlier this year.It arrived in Paris yesterday for the Show and will be unveiled Monday."

The 149 is the military variant of the 139!
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Let me get this straight; .. the 189 is a civil variant of the 149 which, in turn is a military version of the 139. If the civilian version of the 149 equals the 189 (as a derivative of 139) this means that the new designator (assuming constant values for the numbers 1 and 9) is the sum of both the civil and military versions (ie. 3+4) plus a factor of one (presumably added as a result of the new designation). This being the case, any new designations would, one imagine, follow a similar pattern.

Therefore, the next AW product should be the AW1149 based on the 169, its military equivalent the 179 (following the above pattern) plus a factor of one, ie: 6+7+1 = 14.
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Old 17th Jun 2011, 11:34
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"The 149 is the military variant of the 139!"

That is actually not true. The military version of the AW139 is the AW139M.

For comparison, the AW139 has a certified MTOM of 6400/6800kg and carries up to 15 people in the rear cabin.
The AW149 lifts up to 8600kg (other sources say 8000/8100kg) and takes 18 people in the back.

The engines arent the same either. PT6 and CT7.
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