Rating on only one Type !
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Rating on only one Type !
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How many countries allow 1 pilot 1 rating policy ? Civil Aviation is trying to come up with a policy that say's if i fly a Bell -206, i wont be allowed to fly an A star and their argument is that this policy is effective all around the world for commercial pilots . I have flown in 4 countries , but have never heard of such regulation .
May be their definition of world is different than mine .
Does your civil aviation have the same regulation , or are you allowed to keep as many rating as you want for commercial operation . Do you guys too have one pilot one type ?
How many countries allow 1 pilot 1 rating policy ? Civil Aviation is trying to come up with a policy that say's if i fly a Bell -206, i wont be allowed to fly an A star and their argument is that this policy is effective all around the world for commercial pilots . I have flown in 4 countries , but have never heard of such regulation .
May be their definition of world is different than mine .
Does your civil aviation have the same regulation , or are you allowed to keep as many rating as you want for commercial operation . Do you guys too have one pilot one type ?
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Across Europe in JAA land, you must have a separate rating for each type involving 5 hours training, skill test and written test (8 hours for first multi-engine type). You must fly a minimum of 2 hours a year plus Licence Proficiency Check for each type (with some SEP exceptions).
Fulfill that, and you can have as many types as you want on your licence.
Hope that helps.
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Fulfill that, and you can have as many types as you want on your licence.
Hope that helps.
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Thats what my point is .But the civil aviation has been stressing that , it doesn't matter how many hours you train , what procedure you follow but they wont allow pilots more than 1 rating .
So basically JAA allows pilots to have as many rating as they want , provided they have completed certain hours , and keep current flying certain hours along with check ride .
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So basically JAA allows pilots to have as many rating as they want , provided they have completed certain hours , and keep current flying certain hours along with check ride .
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A long time ago the UK CAA would apply an aircraft weight retriction to commercial FIXED WING operations, once the aircraft got above a certain basic weight you could only fly one type, so you couldn't fly a B707 today and be rostered onto a DC9 tomorrow, then back to the 707 etc. Didn't stop you having the ratings on your licence though. No idea if the CAA apply such a rule to, say, the S61 and the civil Chinook?
Maybe Nepal has confused themselves with some other countries rules and applied it to helicopters?
Maybe Nepal has confused themselves with some other countries rules and applied it to helicopters?
Jar Ops 3.1030
JAR-OPS 3.1030 Operation on more than one type or variant
(a) An operator shall ensure that each crew
member does not operate on more than three
helicopter types except that, with the approval of
the Authority, the crew member may operate on
four helicopter types, provided that safety
equipment and emergency procedures for at least
two of the types are similar
(a) An operator shall ensure that each crew
member does not operate on more than three
helicopter types except that, with the approval of
the Authority, the crew member may operate on
four helicopter types, provided that safety
equipment and emergency procedures for at least
two of the types are similar
Whirls its only 5 hours for Robinsons and first single turbine or single piston (in the UK at least), a lot of type rating courses can be and are completed in 2 or 3 hours if an approved syllabus has been drawn up by the training organisation.
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Thanks Vne - obviously I haven't got past the stage of only doing the "first" of everything.
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VeeAny,
You have pulled up a rule which concerns 'crew members other than flight crew'; the appropriate rule is JAR-OPS 3.980 (to which there is an AMC and additional provisions in Appendix 1 to JAR-OPS 3.005(f) - for small helicopters).
This is not a type rating issue (as others have said, there is no limitation on that) but one of limitation on operations for the purposes of Commercial Air Transport (CAT). The text provides adequate provision for alleviation but, as you would expect, there have been many discussions about the application of the policy - particularly when addressing larger helicopters.
The AMC provides a method of compliance which permits two large types (over 5,700 kg) or three small types to be operated. It becomes more complex when mixing large and small types; in a recent interpretation of the AMC by one State (in which EASA was involved), a ruling was made that operation of any one large type restricted operations to two type (two large, or one large and one small).
This ruling might have been influenced by the types being considered: 5,700 kg is a break above the complex medium twins (S76, EC155, B412 etc.).
A more sympathetic policy might be applied to the smaller singles; JAR-OPS 3.005(f) had a provision categorising these into 'groups'; this was an early attempt at simplifying the rules.
Notwithstanding this, the rule was provided so that the carriage of passengers for hire would be conducted to a higher standard of competence.
jiggyman524,
One of the problems is the way you have posed the question. To my knowledge, there is no restriction on the number of types that can be on a licence or operated commercially; the rule which is described above applies only to CAT operations - other commercial flying is not affected.
Jim
You have pulled up a rule which concerns 'crew members other than flight crew'; the appropriate rule is JAR-OPS 3.980 (to which there is an AMC and additional provisions in Appendix 1 to JAR-OPS 3.005(f) - for small helicopters).
JAR-OPS 3.980 Operation on more than one type or variant
(See AMC OPS 3.980)
(See AMC OPS 3.980)
(a) An operator shall ensure that a flight crew member does not operate more than one type or a variant unless:
(1) The flight crew member is competent to do so; and
(2) Appropriate procedures, approved by the Authority are included in the Operations Manual.
(2) Appropriate procedures, approved by the Authority are included in the Operations Manual.
The AMC provides a method of compliance which permits two large types (over 5,700 kg) or three small types to be operated. It becomes more complex when mixing large and small types; in a recent interpretation of the AMC by one State (in which EASA was involved), a ruling was made that operation of any one large type restricted operations to two type (two large, or one large and one small).
This ruling might have been influenced by the types being considered: 5,700 kg is a break above the complex medium twins (S76, EC155, B412 etc.).
A more sympathetic policy might be applied to the smaller singles; JAR-OPS 3.005(f) had a provision categorising these into 'groups'; this was an early attempt at simplifying the rules.
Notwithstanding this, the rule was provided so that the carriage of passengers for hire would be conducted to a higher standard of competence.
jiggyman524,
One of the problems is the way you have posed the question. To my knowledge, there is no restriction on the number of types that can be on a licence or operated commercially; the rule which is described above applies only to CAT operations - other commercial flying is not affected.
Jim
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I agree with when you say the Civil Aviation has confused some regulation regarding this .
I am not sure how they can justify this regulation if published . Someone in the authority is doing drugs , and that idiot has no idea about flying .
" Little knowledge is dangerous " and thats whats about to happen here . What i have heard is that this is the regulation in India and thats what they are trying to copy .
Anyone Flying in India know about this ?
I am not sure how they can justify this regulation if published . Someone in the authority is doing drugs , and that idiot has no idea about flying .
" Little knowledge is dangerous " and thats whats about to happen here . What i have heard is that this is the regulation in India and thats what they are trying to copy .
Anyone Flying in India know about this ?
Looks like the Indian DGCA allows multiple ratings, but not exercising them in the same duty period:
http://dgca.nic.in/misc/draft%20cars/D7O-O1(draft).pdf
http://dgca.nic.in/misc/draft%20cars/D7O-O1(draft).pdf
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Jiggy:
I am facing the same problem in India. Just started http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/440...nputs-all.html today.
212man:
The link u posted is only for fixed wing pilots and has recently come into place. And yes it is allowed for the fixed wing guys. The regulation for helicopters is in paragraph 4 of http://dgca.nic.in/cars/D7B-B10.pdf
To my interpretation all these requirements are to fly more then one type in a single duty cycle. Consider a case a guy like me has been flying R44 and has 800hrs on it and today i get rated on a 206, this means tomorrow i can't fly an R44 till i get 2000hrs!!! How can that ever make sense!!
I am to take this up with the regulatory authority here but i would be highly thankful if u guys can give me leads to related regulations of ICAO, FAA, JAA, EASA, TC, CASA which i can carry as documents supporting the cause.
Thank you all!
I am facing the same problem in India. Just started http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/440...nputs-all.html today.
212man:
The link u posted is only for fixed wing pilots and has recently come into place. And yes it is allowed for the fixed wing guys. The regulation for helicopters is in paragraph 4 of http://dgca.nic.in/cars/D7B-B10.pdf
To my interpretation all these requirements are to fly more then one type in a single duty cycle. Consider a case a guy like me has been flying R44 and has 800hrs on it and today i get rated on a 206, this means tomorrow i can't fly an R44 till i get 2000hrs!!! How can that ever make sense!!
I am to take this up with the regulatory authority here but i would be highly thankful if u guys can give me leads to related regulations of ICAO, FAA, JAA, EASA, TC, CASA which i can carry as documents supporting the cause.
Thank you all!
