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I should learn my lesson!
Stompin on a raw nerve produces an outpouring of S**t.
There is not going to be an AOC flight.
Never will be.
The rules (good and sensible rules that they are) mean the cost is prohibitive so NO AOC FLIGHT IS ON THE CARDS.
So any other way to achieve what the guy wants is not taking money out of your pocket / food from your mouth.
Why would a CPL (or a PPL) want to do this for only a part share in the cost? That would be for the fun and adventure of doing it. I did hint in my post that getting someone with deep pockets to part pay for this sortie could be the difficult part.
Suppose that he does find someone, and it was a PPL who offered......
Then what is your problem! Either the guy accepts the PPL in a single (mostly even deep pockets don't stretch to a twin, just an R44 or similar)with all the limitations which that brings or he does not like the limitations and the trip does not go ahead.
Limitations in this sense would include a legal flight profile and remaining within the competence of the pilot.
I don't see how you jumped to the conclusion that a PPL in a single would even try to fly the same profiles as a commercial operator in a twin - that would be Darwinism in action. And where did the idea come from that a PPL on a private flight would ignore the rules of the air? 500ft rule still applies or you (rightly!) should get busted. So either he accepts no low/slow/high hover opportunities and can make do with 60knt fly-by (for an R44) or he concludes that the trip ain't worth making.
The tirade above speaks about the emotional state of the authors, not my post.
Stompin on a raw nerve produces an outpouring of S**t.
There is not going to be an AOC flight.
Never will be.
The rules (good and sensible rules that they are) mean the cost is prohibitive so NO AOC FLIGHT IS ON THE CARDS.
So any other way to achieve what the guy wants is not taking money out of your pocket / food from your mouth.
Why would a CPL (or a PPL) want to do this for only a part share in the cost? That would be for the fun and adventure of doing it. I did hint in my post that getting someone with deep pockets to part pay for this sortie could be the difficult part.
Suppose that he does find someone, and it was a PPL who offered......
Then what is your problem! Either the guy accepts the PPL in a single (mostly even deep pockets don't stretch to a twin, just an R44 or similar)with all the limitations which that brings or he does not like the limitations and the trip does not go ahead.
Limitations in this sense would include a legal flight profile and remaining within the competence of the pilot.
I don't see how you jumped to the conclusion that a PPL in a single would even try to fly the same profiles as a commercial operator in a twin - that would be Darwinism in action. And where did the idea come from that a PPL on a private flight would ignore the rules of the air? 500ft rule still applies or you (rightly!) should get busted. So either he accepts no low/slow/high hover opportunities and can make do with 60knt fly-by (for an R44) or he concludes that the trip ain't worth making.
The tirade above speaks about the emotional state of the authors, not my post.
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the equal share portion for the flight will be divided by 3 that would make it very expensive for the owner/pilot and dirt cheap for the photograper and his assistant
the equal share portion for the flight will be divided by 3 that would make it very expensive for the owner/pilot and dirt cheap for the photograper and his assistant
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Good evening,
I just read the latest part of this thread. I can assure you, I was not out to get a "taxi noir" flight or bend any rules. I stated a desire for a helicopter for hire - with pilot, because this would fit my project extremely well. I have had a quote for a twin engine helicopter which, as I suspected, was to high to fit in the budget. The final outcome of the project will be so expensive, that it will not be realistic.
As for the C182, thats a private hire flown by your truly with me or an assistant opening the window and shooting photos. This is a private flight and I am free, apart from insurance issues, to fly whereever I want. People ferry these aircrafts across the Atlantic, this is perfectly legal.
Legally I could take off from Inverness in the C182 westbound, fly above 500' until clear of populated areas and fly 2' above the Atlantic until I ran out of fuel. Not a good idea, but possible and legal.
Is it a good idea to fly extended stretches over water in a single engine? In a helicopter... I don't have the first clue. It has now come to my attention that governing rules do not think so, at least not in a hired helicopter.
Privately in a single engine piston aircraft? Yes, as long as the engine keeps running. In my 2200hrs of SE time I have had one engine failure, directly maintenance related and in a generally poorly maintained aircraft.
Then is the question of "what-if". Before even posting this question I have thoroughly researched the market and found a supplier of survival/immersion suit and a raft in a softbag, suitable for carrying AND GETTING OUT of a SE aircraft. I have numerous times completed sea survival training, both in warm and calm pools and in the North Sea during winter.
I don't pretend to know it all and be beyond possibility of failure, that be engine, instrument or a simple pilot mistake. I do, however, find the chances of piloting the aircraft to a survivable ditching and getting out reasonable and the odds of applying this very remote.
Anyway, it all boils down to this. I thank you very much for the advise, definitely learned something about rotary and am strongly considering a PPL(H) - it just looks that fun.
I just read the latest part of this thread. I can assure you, I was not out to get a "taxi noir" flight or bend any rules. I stated a desire for a helicopter for hire - with pilot, because this would fit my project extremely well. I have had a quote for a twin engine helicopter which, as I suspected, was to high to fit in the budget. The final outcome of the project will be so expensive, that it will not be realistic.
As for the C182, thats a private hire flown by your truly with me or an assistant opening the window and shooting photos. This is a private flight and I am free, apart from insurance issues, to fly whereever I want. People ferry these aircrafts across the Atlantic, this is perfectly legal.
Legally I could take off from Inverness in the C182 westbound, fly above 500' until clear of populated areas and fly 2' above the Atlantic until I ran out of fuel. Not a good idea, but possible and legal.
Is it a good idea to fly extended stretches over water in a single engine? In a helicopter... I don't have the first clue. It has now come to my attention that governing rules do not think so, at least not in a hired helicopter.
Privately in a single engine piston aircraft? Yes, as long as the engine keeps running. In my 2200hrs of SE time I have had one engine failure, directly maintenance related and in a generally poorly maintained aircraft.
Then is the question of "what-if". Before even posting this question I have thoroughly researched the market and found a supplier of survival/immersion suit and a raft in a softbag, suitable for carrying AND GETTING OUT of a SE aircraft. I have numerous times completed sea survival training, both in warm and calm pools and in the North Sea during winter.
I don't pretend to know it all and be beyond possibility of failure, that be engine, instrument or a simple pilot mistake. I do, however, find the chances of piloting the aircraft to a survivable ditching and getting out reasonable and the odds of applying this very remote.
Anyway, it all boils down to this. I thank you very much for the advise, definitely learned something about rotary and am strongly considering a PPL(H) - it just looks that fun.
