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Helicopter missing in the Mourne Mountains, & tributes to AJ

Old 24th Oct 2010, 21:56
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I regularly flew an A109 with 8 POB (me included) for an hour and with a diversion reserve (and IFR).

Why knock it.
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Old 24th Oct 2010, 21:58
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Not wanting to disagree with a moderator, but I am not sure the Telegraph article does name the pilot of THIS accident. It is not well written, but I rather think the named pilot related to the earlier fixed wing accident mentioned in the article.
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Old 24th Oct 2010, 22:07
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Helinut that's how I read it as well.

Condolences to the families.
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Old 24th Oct 2010, 22:12
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Old 24th Oct 2010, 22:28
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Latest on the BBC website.

Film showing the crash site.

BBC News - Three dead after Mourne Mountains helicopter crash

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Old 24th Oct 2010, 22:37
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Typical PPRuNe - full of rubbish. Pilots are better re-training (go and get some proper jobs you lot) ... If you want to hear something truthful, watch the BBC News ...
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Old 24th Oct 2010, 22:40
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mOURNE ACCIDENT

Condolences to families of all concerned,i was flying not far from this area at the time and there was low cloud on mountain tops, RIP
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Old 24th Oct 2010, 23:03
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My apologies: I misread the Telegraph report

And yes, I have often operated A109's with 8 POB, but generally not a lot of range to go with the payload!
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Old 24th Oct 2010, 23:33
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I regularly flew an A109 with 8 POB (me included) for an hour and with a diversion reserve (and IFR).
Why knock it.
Me too. Although this mark couldn't do it, later, more powerful versions can.
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Old 25th Oct 2010, 03:14
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Unfortunately the BBC seem to have copied the Telegraph.
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Old 25th Oct 2010, 05:57
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Aircraft accidents

When did the media ever report objectively about helicopter accidents? They always have a knack for sensation and lust when it comes to these things
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Old 25th Oct 2010, 08:17
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In June last year?
Different accident.
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Old 25th Oct 2010, 09:24
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Mourne Accident

Condolences to the pilot and passengers' families.

Acft was Redhill based, and well looked after. Pilot was experienced.

I tend to ignore eye witnesses, without an H rating, who comment on engine noise before an incident.

Debris field suggests high energy impact. The Mourne Mntns can be tricky. Has anyone got reliable METAR?

Very sad.

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Old 25th Oct 2010, 09:39
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Very tragic.

More info at Princes William and Harry 'shocked' after Charles Stisted killed in helicopter crash | Mail Online

Princes William and Harry were in deep shock last night after a friend of the Royal Family was killed in a helicopter crash.
Charlie Stisted, 47 was one of three men returning home from a hunting trip when their aircraft came down in County Down, Northern Ireland yesterday afternoon.

Mr Stisted was head of the Guards Polo Club - whose president is the Duke of Edinburgh - and was a close friend of the Prince of Wales and Princes William and Harry.

Royal connections: Charles Stisted with the Duke of Edinburgh
Last night a Clarence House spokesman said: 'The Prince of Wales, The Duchess of Cornwall, Prince William and Prince Harry are all shocked and deeply saddened by this terrible tragedy.
'Their Royal Highnesses thoughts and prayers are with the families of those killed at this dreadful time.'


Tragic: Ian Wooldridge, pictured with the Queen at the Queen's Cup polo tournament at Guards Polo Club last year

Also killed in the crash were construction tycoon Ian Wooldridge and the pilot of the stricken craft. Mr Wooldridge was another polo enthusiast who had links to the Royal Family.
A member of the public had reported the aircraft being in distress over the Mourne mountain range in County Down and rescue teams found the wreckage.

Shocked: Crash victim Charlie Stisted was chief executive of the Guards Polo Club and a good friend of Princes William and Harry

Air accident investigators were yesterday beginning a probe into Saturday’s crash – the latest in a series of tragedies to blight the remote region.
Relatives at Mr Wooldridge’s family estate in Windlesham, Surrey, were devastated yesterday at the death of the businessman, who with his 50-year-old brother Graham, ran a £40million-a-year firm specialising in demolition and construction.
A worker at the 230-acre Twelve Oaks estate said the family would not be speaking to anyone about what had happened.

Doomed: An Agusta helicopter similar to the one in which Mr Stisted, Mr Wooldridge and a third man were killed

At the home of Julie Fereday, Mr Wooldridge’s ex-partner and the mother of his 21-year-old son, Charlie, a friend said she was ‘in mourning’ and was not making any comment.

Speaking from the doorstep of the terraced house in Crowthorne, Berkshire, the friend said they had been informed of the tragedy by police in Northern Ireland.
Mr Wooldridge was a keen polo player and active member of the Guards club, where the Prince of Wales and Princes William and Harry are regular participants.
Through his links with Irish construction giants the Harcourt Group he set up a lucrative sponsorship deal for the sport’s prestigious Queen’s Cup, which celebrated its 50th anniversary this year.
He was also a sponsor of his local football team – Windlesham United – and provided their team strip for games.
South Down MP Margaret Ritchie, who visited rescue teams at the site, said: ‘The local community is in absolute shock.’
In June last year three men were killed when their plane crashed into a field near a private landing strip at Kilkeel, County Down.
EGAC (Belfast City 25 miles away) at 15.20 UTC Saturday was 01012KT, 9k, FEW017 SCT023. Seems Mourne mountains in area of accident 2200ft ish tops.
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Old 25th Oct 2010, 13:36
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I think I'd be pissed off if I owned EI-DJO
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Old 25th Oct 2010, 14:32
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Quite agree -although the caption says "similar" you would think 5 seconds spent with imaging software to erase the registration is not unreasonable?

This happens frequently with media reporting of aircraft accidents

Recently I recall they had a photo of the WRONG type with reg clear to see
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Old 25th Oct 2010, 14:41
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I am surprised this wasn't a two-crew job, given the 'VIP' nature of the passengers. I wouldn't have thought cost was an issue.
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Old 25th Oct 2010, 14:50
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My thoughts are with the families of the passengers and also the Pilot!, not much has been mentioned about the poor pilot, RIP.

Also why show a picture of a 109E when there are plenty of pictures of N2NR on the web.
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Old 25th Oct 2010, 18:36
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In light twins (355s, 135s, 109s) and singles single pilot operation is not only perfectly acceptable but usually sensible, providing that pilot is well qualified, experienced and competent. There is surely rarely any situation in which flying workload makes a second pilot highly desirable, but what is certain is that the extra 85kg odd of pilot will always reduce some or all of payload available, climb performance, cruise speed and particularly range. Given an IFR trip I'd usually take fuel over a second pilot, for sure! But there again, I do accept the company can be nice! Of course medium twins are obviously different with a P2 having less influence on all the above.
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Old 25th Oct 2010, 21:37
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In light twins (355s, 135s, 109s) and singles single pilot operation is not only perfectly acceptable but usually sensible, providing that pilot is well qualified, experienced and competent. There is surely rarely any situation in which flying workload makes a second pilot highly desirable, but what is certain is that the extra 85kg odd of pilot will always reduce some or all of payload available, climb performance, cruise speed and particularly range. Given an IFR trip I'd usually take fuel over a second pilot, for sure! But there again, I do accept the company can be nice! Of course medium twins are obviously different with a P2 having less influence on all the above.
Understood, but in my opinion, two pilots will always be safer than two engines. Most accidents are weather related, or as a result of the pilot making and error of judgement and getting the aircraft into an unsafe configuration (eg overpitching), or hitting something. Another pilot there to monitor and help out would lessen those risks.
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